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Least fussy mono-metal bullet?
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DoneNOut
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Barnes manuals suggest slightly lighter powder charges across the board for their bullets for the increased pressure that's generated. They have the bands that reduce bearing surface too. Is the copper harder in the Barnes bullets?
If this is addressed to me, it might take a while as I am doing an actual research study.
snox801
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From what I gather yes it is.
That was the thought when people were having them not open on game. I remember reading that someone was drilling a larger hole in the tip and that some would drill fairly easy and then others would be quite hard to drill.
I can say that hammers are a pretty soft copper. I remember Steve mentioning that when they spec out the raw material. Hence why if you accidentally drop a hammer on the tip you can see it deform over not ever seen that with a cutting edge or Barnes.
snox801
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It was. That's cool and I await results. This kinda stuff is what I like to see. Helps make more informative choices.
Yes they are quite hardener
Check your PM.
xsn10s
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Someone would need to get bullets of the same weight and measure the actual bearing surface. I'd also check the diameter as that will affect pressures. Hardness could be checked on hardness tester.
codyadams
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From the few bullets I have loaded, the badlands bullets end up about like a standard lead hunting bullet as far as maximum achievable velocity, though with different amounts of powder. I have not been able to get them faster, but just in the same general area as standard bullets. The Cayugas I have got way faster than I would expect with a lead bullet, same with the hammer hunters. I have not loaded the absolute hammers, so I can't speak on those.
As far as load developement for me, the PVA's and Hammers have shaken out about the same, easy. The Badlands, particularly the gen II's, have been more picky, with good accuracy still attainable. However, my maximum range is not 500 yards, I killed my elk at 1036 this year, 882 last year, 860 the year before....my co-hunters have been 980, 1002, 513, 680, and so on for the last few years, so BC matters with that consideration, so that is where the Badlands and cayugas come into play.
Awesome, thanks!
Equalizer
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I switched from cup and core to Barnes awhile back. After a few dead run animals and reading up on the mono's I stopped shooting deer in the boiler room and started aiming at the shoulder. DRT results now. Barnes need to hit something with resistance to reach full potential in my experience. I'm interested in the other brand monos but I have so many ttsx's that it's going to be awhile.
Same experience here.
I am currently shooting Hammers and they have worked well for the few deer I shot. I bought a box of the 122 Cayuga when they first came out but only did a quick ladder test before I put them back on the shelf when Josh said they were designed to be shot into bone for proper terminal performance.
That being said when I tested them they matched up pretty close to the 123gr Absolute Hammers with the same loads.
That being said when I tested them they matched up pretty close to the 123gr Absolute Hammers with the same loads.
I posted exactly as-is to make a point; one cannot know how fast the bullet can be propelled with the same powder/load configuration. As you noted, an experienced handloader will have to find the best compromise between accuracy and velocity.
No offense taken. Unless it has changed recently the LRH community is about learning and sharing. But ultimately, the end-user had to synthesize the information and have the ultimate decision. Cheers!
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