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Here's a couple examples of awesome kills with another lead free option out there. These were taken using a 175gr Terminal Shock bullet out of a 300 win mag, made by Dynamic Research Technologies. These are one of my favorite lead free bullets for hunting. They have a compressed copper powder core and are not actually solid. The powder comes apart after impact and absolutely devastates organs.
If they quite making monos I would still have too shoot controlled expansion bullets I like a exit no matter where it impacts
Man, that would be amazing, would it? Lol. I truly wish that were possible, and maybe with the right computer program, it could be. I think there's just way too many other variables that are dependent upon too many unknowns that it just wouldn't be viable. Where exactly the bullet is going to hit is one of the biggest unknowns and the particular animal is the other huge unknown. You don't always know how the animal will respond. Adrenaline and the strive to survive do crazy things.@Petey308 : first great detail discussion that will make us all think little harder on why we use a specific bullet.
So what we need is an empirical formula that calculates the hydrohydraulic shock (HS) (my naming convention) factor of a bullet to achieve the desired shock thus quickest humane kill. I am thinking it would be the @Petey308 HS Factor!
Something similar to the simpler Taylor KO Factor.
This would address hydrostatic and hydraulic shock desired based upon bullet design, construction, mass (before and after desired fragmentation), velocity versus animal mass/density.
So have you developed a formula that we could just input the variables?
Just kidding! Probably needs a Petaflop rated computer!
& all can put up with the long winded all over the place posts 
I for one like your research, especially since I have just started toying with all copper bullets. So far accuracy wise they simply rock, mini sub MOA groups with round to round consistency. Have no idea how they will perform on deer. Ya all will have to wait until after deer season for that report.
Others should sit up and take notice.
@fordyGday
Time to move forward I believe & put my cards on the table
Really I'm not the one to be here I think as my data is not going to suite a lot of you guys as the long range guys have the proper data & information
Im definitely no guru or expert either
So please accept my apology LRH members in advance but I'll put my results forward for the guys I'm trying to help back on my home forum & my own personal knowledge
if anyone gets anything out of it all the better as long as the last paragraph is okay first before I enter into this
( yes permission I seek to take what I learn away & ask questions that are not going to be applicable to long range )
To show im serious Here's a few of hammer shanks & odd petal & I'm not here to sugar coat it look closely I've got tumbled in the mix
Now these are from a variety of caliber/ pills , impact velocity/ resistance ranges & velocities in a variety of animals
from the start till today we have learnt a heap & adjusted the parameters as information has become evident
more information will come as we
Head along the journey of hammers
tumbling & turning has ceased in what we are doing now & new barrels on the way to either prove or dismiss our theories even more as failure is not a option in our minds ( I work with some incredible minds & im just the test dummy )
It's a working progress thing as we find out more we adjust ( this is all independent from anything Steve & Brian do & if they take it or not is upto them )
& this is why I'm still here it's you petey308 & lrh members
ive already got notes I'm going to take away from this ( it's good people I'm not going to go off on a rant yes the chain is still attached lol )
I'll post some pics of vitals & animals if your interested ( I can do that )
Ive also got videos from runs to bangflops on animals that usually won't die with whatever they are hit with
But here's the thing I'm actually pretty dumb on posting & technology & I leave that up to my brother ButterBean to post as he has & I won't direct anything on how to get it as I'm not getting caught again
Now the ones I wish I did have videos of was the donkeys but it's hard to get all correct when your in cull mode
Lastly I won't usually comment on CNS as basically any pill within its parameters will kill when hit there ( but still useful data is collected) it's the bad placed shot we learn so much from & the insurance I search for when choosing a good projectile to hunt with
That's what I'll produce if it's ok by the LRH family & you sir
Whatever way it goes I'm cool
Cheers
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True solids are normally used as second shot to penetrate at an odd shooting angle you might have after firing that first expanding bullet at the heart lung of say a cape buff. The solid can penetrate and break a hip. Also, most shots in Africa are less than 300 yards unless you purposely set yourself up for a long shot. There is so much game there you can pass on unnecessary long shots. The first trip there I shot the 180 TTSX in a 300 WSM. My longest shot was on the point of the shoulder of a Blue Wildebeest quartering away head to me at 225 yards. Way way more than enough velocity to expand the bullet. He still went 50 yards. Two months ago we went and hunted a more open area. My longest shot was 500 yards on a big blue bull Eland. My 6.5 PRC shooting the Berger 156 EOL did the job with 2 shots. That bullet has about the same sectional density as a 218gr 30 cal. I wish the second shot had been a Barnes LRX though to get more penetration once he was stopped. The first shot anchored him, then second broke a leg and made him lay down. We moved in close for a final 3rd shot. That was the only time I wished I had a more penetrating bullet on this last trip. The other 17 antelope we shot dropped DRT or only went 20-30 yards and folded from a single shot. The Giraffe my wife shot was shot with a 375 H&H, no 6.5 PRC bullet was going handle that job period. Hahaha. Like people are saying in this thread, proper bullet expansion is way more important because it creates hydraulic cavitation and allows the bullet to travel in a straight line through the vitals. In the early days of the Barnes copper bullets they were notorious for penciling through or bending and coming back out the side they went in. I think they have mostly solved these issues, but users can certainly screw up and hit an animal with too little velocity causing penciling.
If I may I'm gonna tell you what Fordy has came up with in the Hammer world, "Velocity Brackets" There has been a ton of testing done and this was what fordy came up with for Hammer bullet selection, Take Your maximum intended range, adjust your projectiles weight to find maximum impact velocity for that range ( Providing your twist rate will stabilize your choice) We concentrate on impact velocity with Hammers and disregard energy numbers. Now here is where folks start shaking their heads, Hammers upon impact shed petals ( Stick with me because here is where it gets interesting) we are not sure if the petals are ahead of the shank pulling it or behind the shank in tow but the petals stay with the shank making mush out of everything as they go. Combine that with both of the Hydro's multiplied by the extra speed we are achieving and then add that your shot placement is basically unlimited .............. we have found some very deadly combinations
Do you think that the petals / shank relationship could be examined in ballistic gel and slow motion video?
