Bear protection handguns?

What I'm wondering is at what point do you consider it a bluff charge or real deal ? So, if you do kill a griz here, God forbid and the Game and Fish gets involved , how can they tell which it was ?
Normally, it is the real deal when you feel severe pain and all you can see is red liquid and brown fur after you hear a cracking sound in your noggin. If you watch it pop it's teeth and walk or run away, then it was bluffing and it is time to change your undies!
 
I'll take every advantage, pick the best opportunity, to kill any bear that charges/confronts me. Every charge is real, until the bear's butt is the only thing I can see. Should the shooting begin, it continues until the bear is stone cold dead, no longer visible, or out of range.

More specifically, I'm not gonna give any bear a free pass to bluff charge within ~30yds, if carrying a bear capable rifle or shotgun. If carrying only a revolver, any hostilities displayed closer than ~15-20yds, gonna cut loose and give it my best shots.

Will not be concerning myself with what F&G might decide after the fact. If just one bullet enters the frontal profile of the bear, I'll be justified in my own mind. No man has to know the true mindset of a bear in order to take defensive action, IMO.
I was thinking same thing. If in fear of your life it's close enough. Same as if someone breaks into your home when you are there. Are you going to wait to see if they have a gun ? No. You want the advantage . If they know you are home then they are either armed or drugged out. I don't want to wait to see if it's a bluff from a bear. Thanks for your xlnt advice.
 
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What I'm wondering is at what point do you consider it a bluff charge or real deal ? So, if you do kill a griz here, God forbid and the Game and Fish gets involved , how can they tell which it was ?
This is a good question, and I think every hunter that goes afield should have considered and resolved this in their own mind, prior to the moment of truth. I have. I don't want to spend any time second guessing myself when seconds can determine who lives or dies.
Over time, after several first hand experiences and observations with grizzly bears, my "take lethal action - green light free fire zone" separation distances have increased.

The visual memory of having watched an enraged sow grizzly go completely enraged/bezerk in defense of her 2 cubs still stands the hair erect on the back of my neck. And forever hopeful I'm never the target of such hate/rage. Without firearm in hand, finger on trigger, a guy wouldn't stand much chance.

The sow was completely committed and determined to kill. No hesitation whatsoever. 100% uncontrolled rage.

If you hope to have any chance of surviving, you better be equally prepared and committed to KILL.
 
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What I'm wondering is at what point do you consider it a bluff charge or real deal ? So, if you do kill a griz here, God forbid and the Game and Fish gets involved , how can they tell which it was ?
You put your leg in the dead bear's mouth and have a buddy jump on the head. The charge was real, you can tell by the bite mark.
 
Bean, not everyone can hit with a 44. Maybe you are a relative to Elmer Keith, but I know few people who can handle a 5lb+ handgun with confidence and competence.

With all due respect, there is definitely such a this as being overgunned.

As far as the ammos - you must have a porter or gun bearer on retainer to make such a statement.

As far as the legal problems go, I can only speak for my experience here in Canada, but our conservation officers have been pretty understanding. Perhaps one may come under more scrutiny in a locale where bear dispatch is rare?

Sometimes we even put them down before they get aggressive - if a bear is harrassing a camp, or living in a dump and loses their fear of humans, it's just a matter of time...
I agree completely and your weapon of choice should reflect that, That's why I prefer the Glock 10mm, I'm familiar with the weapon and I know mine and the weapons limit, with that being said I'm not a Glock fan but that particular weapon fits me in that capacity
 
Prove it. I'm a very avid gun shooter, pistols to rifles and I spent a career in the Marine Corps and there is no way in hell that you can prove to me that you'll hit a bear with more than 2 or 3 rounds if it surprises you from the typical distance that most attacks happen at. Figure it out, most attacks happen with no more than 20 or 30 feet distance between the person and the bear, that's gives you no more than one second (grizzlies and black bears can run at 30 mph) from the time you know the bear is attacking and you turn to face it, aim, and get a killing shot off.

I don't think you guys really understand just how fast a bear attack happens. I'm not talking about some hunter that watches a bear for several minutes, has his gun drawn, and is aiming at the animal before it attacks. I'm talking about a real bear attack which usually means that as you walk along the first you know about a bear attacking is when you hear it crashing through the brush. More often than not you wont even clear leather before it's on you.
It's hard to predict what any particular bear will do. Yes many attacks have been close and fast not allowing time for defense. Bears are unpredictable for certain but what does a predictable bear look like ? If bears weren't so unpredictable, we wouldn't be carrying sidearms in bear country. Most bears don't want conflict with humans despite everyone's opinion. Cubs and food are the two main problems that cause bear human interaction. Surprising a bear in his territory is another scenario. Regardless of which scenario you encounter, all bears react differently to human presence. Can't just say positively a bear encounter will be an attack. Again be prepared as if it will be. Many bear encounters do offer time for preparation for gun acquisition and or retreat. All in all, the number of bear attacks is so small per day hunters are in the field in bear country that it's more likely you'll go down in a plane crash heading home from that hunt in bear country. I think the numbers are like 1 in 2.1 million chances of an attack. Being prepared is definitely a priority while in bear country. While I read all the preferred and non-prefered guns for defense in Bear country here in this forum by other members, one thing in common is everyone believes their choice is best for them. That's all that really matters within reason. Sure wouldn't want a pocket full of 15 firecrackers but if that's your choice, so be it, it just may be the perfect deterrent. I've talked to seome guides in Grizzly and Brown bear territory that converted from a Big Bore revolver to the (inferior) semi auto 10mm. For sure reliability is as important or more so than SD or energy. They told some personal stories that led them to the change. They even had some articles from hunters and other guides that stopped brown bear attacks with the 10mm. Most were able to get 6-8 shots off with most hitting the target. Many only got up to 3 shots off. One particular one here was the 3 shots on a charging grizzly. Two frontal shots, one skull shot. I think the charge started at 10 yards ended at 10 feet. I'm sure someone will bring up reliability or cases of malfunctions in these scenarios. That's ok. Revolvers have failed in similar cases. The 10mm probably doesn't compare to the common firecracker but it works in a pinch. All kidding aside, I'm no bear defense expert but the 10mm IMO does fit in the minimum category for(Big) bear defense even if it is the minimum. It's hard to say what I'll carry in bear country. It's been my G20 and it's also been my 44mag. I shoot both well but the edge goes to the 20 for confidence, accuracy and shots on target(timed). The chest holster has made carrying my 44 much more comfortable allowing me to enjoy the option of which to take on hunts.
 

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It's hard to predict what any particular bear will do. Yes many attacks have been close and fast not allowing time for defense. Bears are unpredictable for certain but what does a predictable bear look like ? If bears weren't so unpredictable, we wouldn't be carrying sidearms in bear country. Most bears don't want conflict with humans despite everyone's opinion. Cubs and food are the two main problems that cause bear human interaction. Surprising a bear in his territory is another scenario. Regardless of which scenario you encounter, all bears react differently to human presence. Can't just say positively a bear encounter will be an attack. Again be prepared as if it will be. Many bear encounters do offer time for preparation for gun acquisition and or retreat. All in all, the number of bear attacks is so small per day hunters are in the field in bear country that it's more likely you'll go down in a plane crash heading home from that hunt in bear country. I think the numbers are like 1 in 2.1 million chances of an attack. Being prepared is definitely a priority while in bear country. While I read all the preferred and non-prefered guns for defense in Bear country here in this forum by other members, one thing in common is everyone believes their choice is best for them. That's all that really matters within reason. Sure wouldn't want a pocket full of 15 firecrackers but if that's your choice, so be it, it just may be the perfect deterrent. I've talked to seome guides in Grizzly and Brown bear territory that converted from a Big Bore revolver to the (inferior) semi auto 10mm. For sure reliability is as important or more so than SD or energy. They told some personal stories that led them to the change. They even had some articles from hunters and other guides that stopped brown bear attacks with the 10mm. Most were able to get 6-8 shots off with most hitting the target. Many only got up to 3 shots off. One particular one here was the 3 shots on a charging grizzly. Two frontal shots, one skull shot. I think the charge started at 10 yards ended at 10 feet. I'm sure someone will bring up reliability or cases of malfunctions in these scenarios. That's ok. Revolvers have failed in similar cases. The 10mm probably doesn't compare to the common firecracker but it works in a pinch. All kidding aside, I'm no bear defense expert but the 10mm IMO does fit in the minimum category for(Big) bear defense even if it is the minimum. It's hard to say what I'll carry in bear country. It's been my G20 and it's also been my 44mag. I shoot both well but the edge goes to the 20 for confidence, accuracy and shots on target(timed). The chest holster has made carrying my 44 much more comfortable allowing me to enjoy the option of which to take on hunts.
What @rammac said really didn't make much sense to me, rammac has no credibility with me for the simple fact that he thinks Len is a dictator and squelches anyone he doesn't like
 
This is a good question, and I think every hunter that goes afield should have considered and resolved this in their own mind, prior to the moment of truth. I have. I don't want to spend any time second guessing myself when seconds can determine who lives or dies.
Over time, after several first hand experiences and observations with grizzly bears, my "take lethal action - green light free fire zone" separation distances have increased.

The visual memory of having watched an enraged sow grizzly go completely enraged/bezerk in defense of her 2 cubs still stands the hair erect on the back of my neck. And forever hopeful I'm never the target of such hate/rage. Without firearm in hand, finger on trigger, a guy wouldn't stand much chance.

The sow was completely committed and determined to kill. No hesitation whatsoever. 100% uncontrolled rage.

If you hope to have any chance of surviving, you better be equally prepared and committed to KILL.
I agree. If you hesitate to think it's real or not. It's too late if it was. Sound advice. Thanks again.
 
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