7070yshot
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Agreed! Weight is your friend when managing recoil with shotguns a smooth follow through vs a jerk stop/start or see-saw motion.
Savage needs to buy a scale or fire attorneys
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Who is Randy Wakeman ?
As per my response that you quoted, I do not know who he is.
Google will tell you some. He wrote some articles for Chuck Hawks years ago. I read somewhere that he was originally a magician and tried to make a go at that but I guess it didn't bring home enough bacon so he got into being an internet firearms expert. Since it seems that everyone is an internet firearms expert these days, he specializes in muzzle loading expertise now. Which is probably good because there's not as much competition in that subject matter. This is all I know. From the little I've saw, he would be a decent resource for muzzleloader info. As far as his opinions of optics or long range hunting, there's probably about a good 100 or more members here that I would rate their expertise higher.
Thank you, but I still don't know any more about him. And I probably won't look into it any further.
You won't be missing anything.
Yep, I researched after the fact, and it did not change my stance. He does not influence my personal choice.
7070yshot
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Number one: does it shoot. Only accurate and precise rifles are interesting(semi quoting)
Don't take offense this is my observation: As Americans, we are very weight and recoil averse
As an observation and please don't take offense to this it is just an observation among people I've hunted with.
As Americans we are weight and recoil averse. Much more so than our European cousins as well as the South Africans and Australians etc.
I personally believed this happened somewhere around the turn of the previous century. 1900's. Heck prior to that a 30 cal rifle was considered trash and a child's toy! Gov gave thousands to the Indians because it was considered less lethal! All perceptions of course. 30 cal rules the day here now. I'm sure a lot had to do with military engagements and doctrine over the last hundred or so years.
the reality is Americans seek these light and small bore rifles (and shotguns) for everything. The truth is the weight should IMO scale with a the cartridge. A good shooter should be able to pick up any gun and shoot well. But our EU cousins were Bred on big bore rifles and scatter guns. 375 being the smallest! Then of course the double rifles .400 to .600 all heavy guns with a lot of felt recoil. my partner just took an order for 6 600 Overkill bolt rifles for PH's in SA. It's an 11.5 gun with some serious thump and the guides plan to walk 10-20miles a day with it. It's really not that hard to walk with a 11lb vs a 8lb rifle. Be honest most of don't do that anyway. I've stalked with a Ruger PR in 6.5 CM with a NF ATACR on it for about a hours following pigs and blackbuck - yeah it was a heavy rifle but not unbearable. I appreciated that weight when it came time to pull the trigger too!
As Americans we also do another thing that is counter intuitive. We want this light and ultralight rifles to shoot 3-10 shot groups subMOA. That is not what they are made for. Shooting a 10 shot group in the same hole will take a heavy barreled/action gun. It's just physics and heat. Yes someone is going to tell me that their grandpas 30-06 shoots big holes all day. That's not science.
Those light guns are made for the cold bore one shot one kill scenario. It's not a competition gun so I don't treat it like one.
In the end shoot what you like and I sincerely hope you are successful with it.
consider the science behind all this, yes I'm a Bryan Litz fan and always a student of new information regarding our beloved sport and past time.
Scooter 45ACP
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hahaha !!! Texas ?
Master Yoda
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We can't all afford a private land hunt like some can. What did that elk cost you?
Have you shot one? I bought one ASAP. It shoots like a dream. U just point it. That's all I do. Outside of being the best shooting shotgun I've ever owned, (even better than my old 1100 or V3 - which comes in close!), it is far & away the fastest shooter I've ever busted clay's with. I've let others shoot & they were all impressed. I picked out a petite little lady at the range & asked her to shoot it. Though it looks intimidating she tried it. Afterwards she stood there with her mouth agape, turned towards me in disbelief & exclaimed, "It doesn't kick ar all!" I bought one, LOVE IT & have never looked back. If you don't like it don't buy it!
rustyshackleford
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But they are in fact ugly
