Whoever says thier rifle shoots .2's and .3's, offer them $100 to do it for 5 shots on demand. I suspect you will keep your $100 bill for quite a while.
People exaggerate, or they have the most favorable definition possible (e.g. I shot a .2" 3 round group once, therefore my rifle shoots "2's" if I do my part)
Amen......I've shot some form of BR for over 30 years, and know what it takes to do it consistently, doing it is another thing......NBRSA national Cactus Clasic 2019, using all custom 6ppc/6br rifles, high end March and Nightforce competition scopes, custom benchrests like Farly and SEB-Neos, carefully tuned handloads and custom benchrest bullets, many making their own, the best equipment money can buy, few competators have less than 10K invested in their kit, an entire field of windflags up, only the top 25 of 125 national level competators, had grand agregates under .3", only the winner had a grand agg under 0.22" with a .2197". Shooters near the bottom of the list had grand aggs over an inch. I find it difficult to accept that folks here are consistantly outshooting these national level benchrest competators, and industy legend hall of fame shooters, off backpacks and bipods with no flags, using factory or lightly modified sporters, low to mid power field scopes, and in many cases factory ammo.
Yeah man...what he said!NBRSA national Cactus Clasic 2019, using all custom 6ppc/6br rifles, high end March and Nightforce competition scopes, custom benchrests like Farly and SEB-Neos, carefully tuned handloads and custom benchrest bullets, many making their own, the best equipment money can buy, few competators have less than 10K invested in their kit, an entire field of windflags up, only the top 25 of 125 national level competators, had grand agregates under .3", only the winner had a grand agg under 0.22" with a .2197". Shooters near the bottom of the list had grand aggs over an inch. I find it difficult to accept that folks here are consistantly outshooting these national level benchrest competators, and industy legend hall of fame shooters, off backpacks and bipods with no flags, using factory or lightly modified sporters, low to mid power field scopes, and in many cases factory ammo.
It's all about the man who chambers your barrel.
Curious here...
Since it is common for folks to speak of their barrel/rifle's accuracy in terms of group size, I'm curious whether most folks are speaking of groups shot off a solid rest (and reporting mechanical, repeatable accuracy), or off a bipod/bag and reporting the effective accuracy of the "system", which includes shooter.
I don't have access to a sled to lock down my rifle. So when I do load development I'm shooting off a bipod, thereby inducing some shooter error.
When you report your barrel's accuracy on this forum, which method did you use to get that group—solid rest or bipod/bag?
Whoever says thier rifle shoots .2's and .3's, offer them $100 to do it for 5 shots on demand. I suspect you will keep your $100 bill for quite a while.
People exaggerate, or they have the most favorable definition possible (e.g. I shot a .2" 3 round group once, therefore my rifle shoots "2's" if I do my part)
The top 46 competors we're in the .2 in heavy gun at 5 shot 100 yard.NBRSA national Cactus Clasic 2019, using all custom 6ppc/6br rifles, high end March and Nightforce competition scopes, custom benchrests like Farly and SEB-Neos, carefully tuned handloads and custom benchrest bullets, many making their own, the best equipment money can buy, few competators have less than 10K invested in their kit, an entire field of windflags up, only the top 25 of 125 national level competators, had grand agregates under .3", only the winner had a grand agg under 0.22" with a .2197". Shooters near the bottom of the list had grand aggs over an inch. I find it difficult to accept that folks here are consistantly outshooting these national level benchrest competators, and industy legend hall of fame shooters, off backpacks and bipods with no flags, using factory or lightly modified sporters, low to mid power field scopes, and in many cases factory ammo.
My best three shot group was with my .375-.416 Rem Mag firing 265 grain bullets at 3,055 feet per second. It measured .062". When I fired one more it opened the group up to .312". This particular rifle has fired many, many 3/8" groups for three shots. But normally I expect 5/8"-3/4". I don't shoot five shots with it.I believe a lot of folks do this with merely a 3 shot group, that ain't much of an average especially at 100 yards. As many have said already, bragging about a group shot in a sled or bench rest is all about the gun but for hunting situations we are shooting off of bipods, back packs and sometimes a tree for a rest. I'd wager most of us have custom guns that can and will out shoot our abilities and will be in <.3s but we are typically the weakest link.
The reason I test/group a rifle is for it's accuracy. All i want to know is what is the best it will do. I do all of my accuracy and load work up test at 100 yards and Off a good solid rest To minimize outside conditions that can change and effect the data and be repeatable. When I use a lead sled, I don't add any weight(It already weighs enough to make it steady).
By testing this way I am proving the accuracy and consistency of the 'rifle'. Everyone has a bad day, and I try to eliminate that part of the equation. When siting in I try to duplicate the hunting conditions that will be encountered, And when I shot matches I did the same by shooting from the different positions. The outcome is always different depending what kind of day I'm having.
With all testing done under as near perfect conditions, I know what the rifle is capable of and if i do my part it will be reasonably close but not as good so it puts pressure on me to do my best. Many of my hunting rifles are sited in at 2 and 300 yards under field conditions but are still tested and sighted in initially at 100 yards for ultimate accuracy so wind, mirage,site picture, rest and other things are at there best, and mostly eliminated separating the rifles ability from the shooters ability.
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