Kill the wolf?

[Plinker147]

The biggest issue the wolf cause and nobody measures in the calf kills. They are hard on recruitment, once your recruitment drops below 25-30% your herd will start to fail. Its not noticeable for a few years but then the herd will crash in exponential style. This stat is never brought up and monitored because the wolf eat bones and all of calves, there will be nothing left but a blood spot, i've seen it too many times.

Relying on Federal F&W info is like trusting the fox to guard the hen house. Most are not hunters, and most tend towards the anti-side. For example the wolf populations that the fed say they need to be recovered are so far above what they should be its ridiculous. They have no data to show what historic wold densities were, so they pulled numbers out of their you know whats. The numbers they are using in NM are absolutely absurd. I have first hand knowledge of all the shady, behind close door stuff they woofy's have done in NM they CAN NOT be trusted. There numbers on livestock kills aren't even close to whats really happening

Bottom line the wolf issue is just another tool for the anti's to get rid of hunting, and other activities. Just like logging and the spotted owls. If they were truly interested in co-existing they could have made reasonable wolf population numbers that hunters could have tolerated.

 

[xsn10s]

Yup up in Alaska were I hunted they said the caribou and moose calf attrition was around 80-85%. Which was why they highly encouraged us to shoot them.

 

[L.Sherm]

Rely on the F&W recommendations.

This is the biggest joke I've heard in a long time.

 

[Vol1975]

Shoot. Shut up and shovel.

 

[HARPERC]

.....Shoot. Shut up and shovel......

Any examples of where that has been an effective tool in wolf management?

 

[manitou]

Listening to the "wolf restoration biologists" on Meateater podcasts, they indicated that in some areas 30-50 domestic cows are killed YEARLY by every 100 wolves. Your tax dollars pay for those losses. Cattle kills are so prevalent, that big ranchers are also paid for missing cattle with the assumption that wolves killed them. Example: A rancher claims he had 450 head of cattle and they round them up off their winter range, but can only locate 390... you and I pay for the remainder, year in and year out. Secondly, ONE wolf, on average, kills between 16 and 20 elk per year. Figure 500-700 wolves in WY, MT, OR, ID (IIRC) this would add up to be 8000-14000 elk killed every year.
We have met AND exceeded restoration numbers long ago... and the bunny huggers keep moving the baseline. It will never be enough... and it will always be a battle settled by some liberal judge in a venue that knows no wolves except in a toystore.

 

[Vol1975]

Any examples of where that has been an effective tool in wolf management?

It is what it is. Until certain places allowed year around bounty hunting on wolves and certain predators that are not hunted other than an occasional shot during big game season like elk or deer it will not be affective.
I've hunted enough in Canada and up north to know when bears and wolves don't fear a human. And when you have this they will come on your back porch and eat your dog that is in your yard. Been there done that. You want to control a species like that you have to make it allowable for the species to be hunted without repercussions and easy for a tag or sport. 40 years ago when I hunted in Canada wolves and bears
Would make a wide path around a human because they shot their ***. Today people do t hunt like they use to hunt and don't Allow a management of certain species. Instead they reintroduce wolves into areas and say it for conservation. Anyway wolves that have been reintroduced into areas that don't have a method of control will flourish. So I say this. You manage it in your area or you let the government control it for you.

 

[Willoughby]

SS that's al

 

[26Reload]

Any examples of where that has been an effective tool in wolf management

Well obviously NOT.....

 

[HARPERC]

..Well obviously NOT..

I wish it was obvious to all. Then we could readily move on to a different plan.

 

[Tidus56]

Said it on here before I'll say it again. As someone who grew up in cattle country trying to keep yotes off the calves during calving season. I have zero interest in wolves being here. My ancestors helped kill them off from this area and I hope it stays that way. Now someone start another Creed thread so we can wash repeat just like we do the wolf thing.

 

[PredatorSlayer]

Said it on here before I'll say it again. As someone who grew up in cattle country trying to keep yotes off the calves during calving season. I have zero interest in wolves being here. My ancestors helped kill them off from this area and I hope it stays that way. Now someone start another Creed thread so we can wash repeat just like we do the wolf thing.

Amen brother. Sigh...I love how its usually the people that don't live in wolf country that offer opinions on how to manage them.

 

[Browning300]

Here we go again, every one of these wolf threads are exactly the same.

 

[xsn10s]

They aren't even indigenous to the area. What close to twice the size of the wolves that originally inhabited the area.