To those interested in the cartridge why 300 PRC?

Compare the old standard 300 WM load with a 190 SMK to a 230 gr Berger hybrid loaded our in a Wyatt's mag to 3.6-.7. Now compare it to a similar load in 300 PRC.
I don't have time to compare right now, but I would assume they would be similar. The difference being, the PRC can be bought off the shelf with the right twist, and chamber and throat lead angle reamed for optimal performance.
 
I did. I want to do some testing to see if they'll hunt, but I'm skeptical.
Maybe when the 7mm SM comes out?
I think you should be working on a 7 Blaser improved we can actually get brass for and shoot it out of those 1950 Tikka 3.4" mag boxes. LOL!

I have had a few 7-300s so I know the 7-300PRC would be great. The 28 Nosler is just too hard on throats for me.
 
I don't have time to compare right now, but I would assume they would be similar. The difference being, the PRC can be bought off the shelf with the right twist, and chamber and throat lead angle reamed for optimal performance.
That's a fair statement but the fact remains that the propellants and bullets are doing the work and are what I'd call the "cutting edge" part. Turnkey solutions are nice but the innovation isn't the performance but the convenience.
 
That's a fair statement but the fact remains that the propellants and bullets are doing the work and are what I'd call the "cutting edge" part. Turnkey solutions are nice but the innovation isn't the performance but the convenience.
When you compare SAMMI spec of each cartridge, the PRC is a improved design. Plain and simple.
If you're using a custom chamber, then you really can't call the win mag a win mag without adding "improved" in the title.
 
I think you should be working on a 7 Blaser improved we can actually get brass for and shoot it out of those 1950 Tikka 3.4" mag boxes. LOL!

I have had a few 7-300s so I know the 7-300PRC would be great. The 28 Nosler is just too hard on throats for me.
Build the 7 max! It will run the 195 north of 3000' in a 26" barrel at under 3.2" coal.
ADG head stamped brass too. Pretty hard to beat!
 
Build the 7 max! It will run the 195 north of 3000' in a 26" barrel at under 3.2" coal.
ADG head stamped brass too. Pretty hard to beat!
Rich, I think I am going to I just have to find time to fit the build in. I have waaaay too many irons in the fire currently. I will do it on a Tikka with a carbon barrel I think. I need to buy a reamer so I have it when ready.
 
I think we are seeing new designs that are more small tunes to what we have vs a whole new animal, I really like the little refinements in the 300 PRC, I think it's a well balanced design, naturally I'll build it with a Sherman twist but to me that's just a little cherry on top of a solid design.
 
I've been considering building a 300 win mag for a long time but when the 30 nosler came out I started watching and now that the 300 PRC is out I really don't know which to choose. Ballistically they are all close enough that the edge goes to the one in the best rifle, factory win mag ammo has to fit in factory win mag chambers and so on so assume all rifles have the same barrel and the win mag has a improved throat for heavies. in this scenario I don't see these cartridges running factory ammo much but rather all 3 shooting the same bullets so the only cost differences are in the brass, there's cheaper win mag brass out there than the PRC and the Nosler is the most expensive assuming all shoot Hornady brass because they are the only manufacturer making all 3.

all 3 cartridges will group close enough to the same in good rifles and for magazine fit purposes length to beginning of the neck is

Win Mag - 2.356
PRC - 2.2724
Nosler - 2.246

which means you can load the longest heaviest bullets in a 30 Nosler in a magazine but only by 0.0264 when the same bullet is seated with the same amount of neck contact while eating the same amount of case volume. they will all feed with the same bolt from the same magazine length from the same action length.

As far as comparing loads I don't see much point in lighter stuff as nobody will buy these to torch a barrel with 150gr bullets at varmint rifle speeds so lets look at what you can expect with whatever 200gr loads I could find.

Win mag - 2923 at 3.34 coal and 79.9 gr of Magnum powder in a 24" barrel (Barnes Data for LRX)
PRC - 3025 at 3.575 coal and 78.3 gr of RL-26 powder in a 24" barrel (Hornady data for ELD-X)
Nosler - 3080 at 3.34 coal and 83.0 gr of Retumbo powder in a 26" barrel (Nosler Date for Partition) - correct for barrel length if you want to play fair

the next step is 220 gr loads and you get the following

Win mag - 2771 at 3.34 coal and 74.5 gr of RL-26 powder in a 24" barrel (Nosler Data for Partition)
PRC - 2875 at 3.585 coal and 78.1 gr of Retumbo powder in a 24" barrel (Hornady data for ELD-X)
Nosler - 2981 at 3.34 coal and 81.5 gr of Retumbo powder in a 26" barrel (Nosler Date for Partition) - correct for barrel length if you want to play fair

This isn't really apples to apples because Hornady uses longer COAL for their published loads to get a little more out of them and Nosler uses a 26" barrel to do the same cheat. it's obvious that they are both hotter than a 300 win mag and all things considered the Nosler is going to be hotter when loaded to the same COAL with the same bullets because it has the volume advantage but that comes at a cost of $0.020 per new brass and $0.035 more of Retumbo per shot. average that to lets say half a dozen loads per brass(conservative but these are magnums with Hornady brass prices and no history yet) and you will pay about $70 more per 1000 rounds to shoot the Nosler over the PRC.

I'm not arguing for the PRC or the Nosler but when it comes down to it the Hornady Engineers appear to have looked at the 30 Nosler and said "lets do it a little cheaper"
 
I've been considering building a 300 win mag for a long time but when the 30 nosler came out I started watching and now that the 300 PRC is out I really don't know which to choose. Ballistically they are all close enough that the edge goes to the one in the best rifle, factory win mag ammo has to fit in factory win mag chambers and so on so assume all rifles have the same barrel and the win mag has a improved throat for heavies. in this scenario I don't see these cartridges running factory ammo much but rather all 3 shooting the same bullets so the only cost differences are in the brass, there's cheaper win mag brass out there than the PRC and the Nosler is the most expensive assuming all shoot Hornady brass because they are the only manufacturer making all 3.

all 3 cartridges will group close enough to the same in good rifles and for magazine fit purposes length to beginning of the neck is

Win Mag - 2.356
PRC - 2.2724
Nosler - 2.246

which means you can load the longest heaviest bullets in a 30 Nosler in a magazine but only by 0.0264 when the same bullet is seated with the same amount of neck contact while eating the same amount of case volume. they will all feed with the same bolt from the same magazine length from the same action length.

As far as comparing loads I don't see much point in lighter stuff as nobody will buy these to torch a barrel with 150gr bullets at varmint rifle speeds so lets look at what you can expect with whatever 200gr loads I could find.

Win mag - 2923 at 3.34 coal and 79.9 gr of Magnum powder in a 24" barrel (Barnes Data for LRX)
PRC - 3025 at 3.575 coal and 78.3 gr of RL-26 powder in a 24" barrel (Hornady data for ELD-X)
Nosler - 3080 at 3.34 coal and 83.0 gr of Retumbo powder in a 26" barrel (Nosler Date for Partition) - correct for barrel length if you want to play fair

the next step is 220 gr loads and you get the following

Win mag - 2771 at 3.34 coal and 74.5 gr of RL-26 powder in a 24" barrel (Nosler Data for Partition)
PRC - 2875 at 3.585 coal and 78.1 gr of Retumbo powder in a 24" barrel (Hornady data for ELD-X)
Nosler - 2981 at 3.34 coal and 81.5 gr of Retumbo powder in a 26" barrel (Nosler Date for Partition) - correct for barrel length if you want to play fair

This isn't really apples to apples because Hornady uses longer COAL for their published loads to get a little more out of them and Nosler uses a 26" barrel to do the same cheat. it's obvious that they are both hotter than a 300 win mag and all things considered the Nosler is going to be hotter when loaded to the same COAL with the same bullets because it has the volume advantage but that comes at a cost of $0.020 per new brass and $0.035 more of Retumbo per shot. average that to lets say half a dozen loads per brass(conservative but these are magnums with Hornady brass prices and no history yet) and you will pay about $70 more per 1000 rounds to shoot the Nosler over the PRC.

I'm not arguing for the PRC or the Nosler but when it comes down to it the Hornady Engineers appear to have looked at the 30 Nosler and said "lets do it a little cheaper"


Trying to compare reloading data for the three is a complete waste of your time. I do not know one single person who loads a 300 wm or 30 Nosler at 3.34". The SAAMI throats have the room to seat out another .3-.4". Having said that the velocity difference on AVERAGE is spot on. The 300WM and Nosler are being hamstrung by the 3.34" and they do not need to be unless you buy a rifle with a 3.4" mag box. If you are counting pennies on your ammo then long range shooting may not be your thing. Nothing about being proficient is cheap. Having said that $70 per 1k rounds is nothing. If you need to practice get a trainer 22lr or 223.

The bottom line as far as performance is the biggest case wins and that is the Nosler. Just like a 30 Nosler will not outrun a 300 RUM on average. If there were more and better 4.0" magazine options I would run the RUM.
 
You can make your own staggered feed 4" mag box with a welder, some time, and 2 mag boxes. You have to take some out of the feedlips with some bullet combos. I did the same thing to make a 3.165" short action mag box.
 
You can make your own staggered feed 4" mag box with a welder, some time, and 2 mag boxes. You have to take some out of the feedlips with some bullet combos. I did the same thing to make a 3.165" short action mag box.

Yes and years ago I may have. Now I do not have time. Wyatts 4.0 takes too much tuning as well. The other issue is I have fallen in love with Fierce actions and their mag is limited to 3.75". The Nosler fits perfectly in this even with a generous amount of freebore and is capable of pushing 215s at 3100 and 225s over 3k.

I am starting to gather parts for a 338 Terminator and I plan on running one of Shawn's Defensive Edge 4.0 boxes.
 
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