sea2summit
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I think my definition of "is" there, is the fudd's ability to get a first round hit a kill zone size target at a range other than their zero range
Who says only bolt guns are accurate?
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I think my definition of "is" there, is the fudd's ability to get a first round hit a kill zone size target at a range other than their zero range
J E Custom
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First off, great shooting and nice group!
Secondly, where did you get a DPMS G2 (GII) for $800? I'd been eyeballing the 'Hunter' model for a while now, but prices are always over a grand. You can get a "regular" DPMS Oracle for about $750 with careful shopping around. Please point me to the secret GII purchasing location! I have my $800 ready...
Thirdly, some of these ARs are really accurate! Not benchrest accurate (that takes us back to the 'discussion' of bolt vs. semi-auto) but real world, hunting accurate.
Having said that, this IS a long range hunting forum and the definition of accurate here is a tighter than any other hunting forum I've been around. It has to be though. If you are going to try to doink Bambi at 1,000 yards, "pretty accurate" isn't going to git 'er done.
I still think 0.75" for seven shots from a 'big boy' AR is pretty dang impressive. I'm glad you posted.
Secondly, where did you get a DPMS G2 (GII) for $800? I'd been eyeballing the 'Hunter' model for a while now, but prices are always over a grand. You can get a "regular" DPMS Oracle for about $750 with careful shopping around. Please point me to the secret GII purchasing location! I have my $800 ready...
Thirdly, some of these ARs are really accurate! Not benchrest accurate (that takes us back to the 'discussion' of bolt vs. semi-auto) but real world, hunting accurate.
Having said that, this IS a long range hunting forum and the definition of accurate here is a tighter than any other hunting forum I've been around. It has to be though. If you are going to try to doink Bambi at 1,000 yards, "pretty accurate" isn't going to git 'er done.
I still think 0.75" for seven shots from a 'big boy' AR is pretty dang impressive. I'm glad you posted.
J E Custom
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There are some tricks that will help accuracy in some Semi autos like the AR, but in many cases these mods take away from many of the reasons for them in the first place. I have built some with 26" heavy barrels, chambered and head spaced them and also installed an adjustable gas block. I tune the gas block using ammo for the head space set to get the best harmonics and ejection for accuracy. Tuning the magazines is also a must. I number mine so I can use the best shooting one and try to tune the others the same. (I normally cant make them shoot the exact same but I can get them close).
These heavy , long barreled AR can hover around or just below 1/2 MOA
But they require lots of work to be dependably accurate. As stated, most are loaded/chambered with mid powered cartridges and even though they will hit targets beyond some peoples ability, bullet performance and accuracy at impact, limits there use on game at distance.
As Mud said, don't ask any cartridge to perform beyond its design.
J E CUSTOM
These heavy , long barreled AR can hover around or just below 1/2 MOA
But they require lots of work to be dependably accurate. As stated, most are loaded/chambered with mid powered cartridges and even though they will hit targets beyond some peoples ability, bullet performance and accuracy at impact, limits there use on game at distance.
As Mud said, don't ask any cartridge to perform beyond its design.
J E CUSTOM
Some AR's are very accurate with the original factory stuff.
My SIG M400 shoots sub MOA with Fiocchi and American Eagle 223 ammo, I'm curious to see what it will do once I upgrade the trigger.
My SIG M400 shoots sub MOA with Fiocchi and American Eagle 223 ammo, I'm curious to see what it will do once I upgrade the trigger.
MudRunner2005
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Yes, because he wasn't referring to a cartridge.
sea2summit
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Never heard of tuning the magazines, what are you doing to them just truing them up with the magwell?
I will also throw out there that my experience is small frames are much more forgiving than large frames for accuracy. Probably due to more moving mass etc. In my experience the large frames like a lot more bipod loading or other preload to maintain groups consistency. As one of my buddies put it "you have to bring your A-game".
When attention is given to the same elements(bolt alignment, bedding/chassis stability, barrel, etc.as one would give a bolt rifle, the AR platform is very capable of achieving excellent accuracy. Both my Whitely 6mmAR and 223 DPMS(uppers) rifles used for 200/300 yard Egg Shoots compete well with the bolt rifles. Left-6mmAR, Right-223 ; 5 shots@100yards.
I found this to be true as well. Gas guns required a very different technique to get good consistent groups than what I typical use for bolt guns.
Thanks. I ordered it from gunsmidwest. It was on sale at the time.
I have tried several bullets and this is the first that the gun likes. It is a 115 grain bullet. Great for hunting at any range possible in Tennessee. Shots longer than 350 yards are all but impossible. And good enough to punch paper or ring steel at 600 yards. I'll take a picture of a 600 yard Target next time I get it to the range. Still planning on testing a few more bullets for better long range performance.
5RWill
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This day in age you can have ARs with bolt gun accuracy the tools are there. The fundamentals shooting an AR are harder IMHO than a bolt gun. Three recoil impulses, maintaining follow through, coupled with the rest the basics you have to do right with every precision rifle
OP that's a hell of a group for a factory gun.
OP that's a hell of a group for a factory gun.
just country
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morning, comparing a bolt gun and semi accuracy is apples and
pears. the fundamentals of shooting technitices sp, r entirely different from
bolt guns to semi's. some of differences r the hold, recoil, posture, SOUNDS,
trigger squeeze, and check weld. I shoot both types. there major
differences to obtain precision accuracy. justme gbot tum
pears. the fundamentals of shooting technitices sp, r entirely different from
bolt guns to semi's. some of differences r the hold, recoil, posture, SOUNDS,
trigger squeeze, and check weld. I shoot both types. there major
differences to obtain precision accuracy. justme gbot tum
