You can only get it from me Wildcats mentality.

[Deleted member 46119]

It has ever been that men want to be rewarded for their efforts.

It has ever been that men want to have control over others so as to be able to get profit.

This current emphasis on ELR is wonderful.

Control of every possible combination and enforcement of "patent" or "copyright" is not so cool.

I predict that there will be litigation filed between shooting enthusiasts one believing he has a "patent" or "copyright" the other perhaps not even aware that someone else "made" it first. It will be over pride and the belief that there is "profit" to be made. Fact: no one has ever made a profit from Wildcats that way.

I know more about business than I let on or that you would believe.

If you are not an ELR enthusiast, you may see this as not important to you. If you are an ELR enthusiast you may see this as "I will make my own" or "I won't go there now". The result is actually a stifling of the possible participants.

As a possible business the plan of "they have to get it from me", has never worked very well or for very long. Except printer cartridges. It seems to work for printer cartridges. I feel that is because the printers are actually the best for the money and sold as cheap as possible with long term profit coming from the cartridges.

This would only work in ELR if you sold or gave away the rifle with a round that you could only get from the rifle maker.

 

[wklman]

The wssm's are a great example of this. Patents killed the cartridges.

 

[Deleted member 46119]

That's the kind of thing I'm talking about but with wildcats there is an even smaller market.

The kind of thing where "you can only get it from me or if I approve it".

IMO the WSSM was an incoherent execution. Many many cartridges based on the 404 Jeffery. From WSSM to RUM for factory and more for wildcats. I've dreamed up a couple myself with Jamison "basic" brass which is longer than any of the cartridges made from it. How about a 358 with a body longer than a RUM, 40 degree shoulder, .025 neck, throated for the CEBs. It's so easy to draw these things up.

Not as many cartridges are bases on the 500 Jeffery or the 505 Gibbs but we are getting there. The BMG is next.

 

[Wedgy]

Beta was far superior to VHS but Sony played the game you describe and guess what happened ? No Beta, it went bye bye

 

[Rich Coyle]

The wssm's are a great example of this. Patents killed the cartridges.

The thing about the patent on short fat is such a joke. I made a .378 Weatherby necked to 7mm and shortened to 2 1/4". I called it "Short Fat Seven" when I was in my thirties. I am now in my seventies. And I probably wasn't even as early as P.O. Ackley.
I thought he was a nut for sure.

 

[Swamplord]

How about a 358 with a body longer than a RUM, 40 degree shoulder, .025 neck, throated for the CEBs. It's so easy to draw these things up.

drawing them up is fun but we also build and shoot them
such as the 358 Jager off the 338 Lapua basic shown with a 340 gr CEB MTH next to 338 Norma and 338 Lapua in the photo,
will you be privvy to it's reamer, performance or load data ? most likely not as the fella that designed and built it is not interested in making it public,

you see, up here in the North we still practice an ancient American way of life that has been forgotten by the Socialist masses down below, Capitalism ! working your tail off and earning your keep

You want it ? you either make it or you buy it with your hard earned dollars, nobody is entitled to your harvest you sacrificed love, labor and time for .....

now if it is willingly shared ? then respect that and be thankful instead of demanding, you are entitled to nothing

 

[Rich Coyle]

I like your short essay. Thanks.

 

[Deleted member 46119]

you see, up here in the North we still practice an ancient American way of life that has been forgotten by the Socialist masses down below, Capitalism ! working your tail off and earning your keep

You need to go have a good stiff drink.

 

[Deleted member 46119]

build and shoot them

Please show the round and rifle you shoot it in for every one of your magic designs and every caliber.

You seem to have fallen into a trap. Feel like a winter pine martin?

 

[Lee in Texas]

Alright y'all-
I have an idea for an awesome, secret squirrel type of thing. It's the best thing since sliced bread.

Get a .338 Lapua case and cut it down. Make the neck hemispherical, and the length so that the inside resembles a sphere, as closely as possible. Load a 6mm bullet and have the most consistent combustion EVAR.

Now don't go out and try my idea, 'cause it's all mine.















[patiently waiting for other people to work the bugs out before spending my own money on it]

 

[Deleted member 46119]

"LIKE

I think Lee gets where I'm coming from.

Anyone who puts the work in should get the rewards.

Anyone who patents and copyrights everything they can think up should go away.

I've fought that battle in the software world.

 

[TXAoudadKlr]

I do get tired of all the secret squirrel stuff that's going on.



I don't care if they patent their work so long as they don't tease us with the wildcat(s) they developed only to hoard if for themselves.

 

[hemiford]

General question:

In any field, can an individual build anything he wants for his own use,
but cannot build it to SELL, if it violates another person's patent ?

 

[Deleted member 46119]

General question:

In any field, can an individual build anything he wants for his own use,
but cannot build it to SELL, if it violates another person's patent ?

The patent laws got mucked around with recently so I'm not %100 but....

There is or used to be such a thing as a for personal use license only. Same for copyrights. "Fair use" I think is what it's called. Also includes some educational uses.