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[SecretSquirrel38]

What everyone else said. I'll add that I am starting to believe it may be the wrong powder or grains of powder. I am looking for evidence that burnt propellant ignites outside the barrel and that could cause a bullet deflection. For certain rigs I have with 100% burnt propellant I don't get fliers very often when I slow down and do my part. Just a theory right now but it's working for me. I use GRT.

 

[MagnumManiac]

Gases disperse with the rifling, therefore unburnt powder will have virtually zero affect on bullet path, it will be dispersed away from the bullet, not towards it.

Cheers.

 

[FEENIX]

Solution...only shoot 3 shots.

You behave!

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I am way behind my memes, and I am stealing this one.

 

[FEENIX]

I have the same problem I've discovered that 99% of the time it's that nut behind the trigger.

Yep, as noted in my sig line.

 

[FEENIX]

Try a 10 shot group or even 20. Maybe it is not a flyer and you will see it is normal dispersion.

Yep, and see if shots 4, 8, 12, 16, and 20 are fliers. Sorry, I am weak and could not resist.

Crazy thing, every 4 shot group one flyer

 

[Deputy819]

I am way behind my memes

Then take THIS one, too…

 

[TennJed]

So asking for advice turns into insults. Sorry for reaching out

 

[Deputy819]

So asking for advice turns into insults. Sorry for reaching out

My friend, my 'meme' had absolutely NOTHING to do with you. That was for @FEENIX….we're both "meme geeks". I simply provided that for his 'arsenal'.

 

[Rick Richard]

So asking for advice turns into insults. Sorry for reaching out

For most of us we are laughing or inferring to ourselves. Have a good day.

 

[FEENIX]

For most of us we are laughing or inferring to ourselves. Have a good day.

Laughter remains the best medicine especially on a humpday.

 

[FEENIX]

My friend, my 'meme' had absolutely NOTHING to do with you. That was for @FEENIX….we're both "meme geeks". I simply provided that for his 'arsenal'.

LL!



Happy Humpday to all.

 

[Hard H2O]

So asking for advice turns into insults. Sorry for reaching out

Not insults. 3 or even 5 shot groups do not tell you a lot.

 

[Hard H2O]

So from what I'm hearing there is really no such thing as a true .3-.5 MOA gun. We just hope for a small amount to fall into that category. Sure makes me feel much better because I'm consistently achieving 3-4 shots within .3-.5 MOA.

You have the rifle, the shooter, the shooting bench or rest, and the weather conditions.

You might have a rifle that is a .5 MOA rifle in a mechanical rest. Put it in the hands of a shooter from a good rest and it might be a .75 MOA gun. Move to a shaky bench and you might be 1 MOA. Stand him up and it might be a 1.5 or 2 MOA. Throw in some wind and groups will open up. Maybe a handload that was developed in the summer and shot in the winter or vice versa.

Take a crappy shooter and do the same and he might be all over the place no matter what the conditions. Someone I hunt with has to be dragged to the range to verify zero prior to a season. They are horrible. They tend to surround animals rather than hit them. No rifle is sub 1 MOA in their hands.

I shoot NRL22. I see new shooters posting groups at 25 yards with low tier rimfire ammo. They declare that you do not have to use match ammo to shoot rimfire PRS. I ask how it shoots at 50 or 100 and beyond. No one likes to hear that. They like the looks of their small groups with Armscor, Remington Yellow Jackets, Winchester Bulk, or even CCI SV. Move it out to 50 yards or 100 yards and you will se the fliers and have the misfires with the cheaper stuff. No one likes to face reality. I am not a very good NRL22 competitor. I am not able to shoot a match every month. I am routinely in the lower half of scores at my club. I know that and I am OK with that. I just do not have the time. From a bench I am pretty good. I use good ammo. I do not shoot 3 round groups at 25 yards and call it good.

Shooting one sub MOA group does not make a rifle a sub MOA gun. Discounting flyers does not magically make the group smaller. 3 round groups are not enough.

 

[Beluebow]

So from what I'm hearing there is really no such thing as a true .3-.5 MOA gun.

Depends on what you consider "true". For instance, the Fclass national record is 22 consecutive shots into a five-inch circle at 1000yrds....would that be considered a true 1/2moa gun?