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Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by RMulhern, May 16, 2010.

  1. RMulhern

    RMulhern Well-Known Member

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  2. liltank

    liltank Well-Known Member

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    What is the distance on that shot? I have seen it before, but forget what it was.

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  3. winmag

    winmag Well-Known Member

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    Ya how far? Cool video.
     
  4. RMulhern

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    Tank

    Think that was 1139 measured yards! The title is somewhat off as THE LONGEST RIFLE SHOT EVER but that being aside.....still pretty good shooting with aperture sights. I met Dave Gullo up at Raton a few years back during the Creedmoor Match which is held there each year and he's a fine guy! Owns a business in Sand Point, Idaho called Buffalo Arms. He was shooting a .45/100 cartridge for this video.
     
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    That's cool. Any idea what bullet he used? Any tech info on the rifle itself? Twist rate, black powder, 2f, 3f, 4f? Primer? Is he using a patch or straight lead with grease? I have been toying with the idea of using something like that.

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  6. RMulhern

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    Knowing Dave...he was probably using his Gullo Spitzer that he had Paul Jones make a mould for! You can view it here: .45 Cal. Moulds Page 1 mould #45014. I don't think he was shooting paper patch at this time! Don't know about his primer but most of us these days use an 'over primer wad' either fitted into the bottom of the case or either seated into the primer pocket. I would guess that he was using a LPP aka Large Pistol Primer as it's usage gives a good SD with blackpowder. Don't know his powder but with the .45/100 I'd guess that it would be either Swiss or Goex 1F or Swiss 1.5! As for PP....I haven't shot a 'greaser' in quite a while as PP is damn accurate and there is absolutely 'no leading' issue at all using it!
     
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    1100+ yards w/o a scope...outstanding. Along with the obvious skills he has, he must also have some good eyesight.
     
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    That video kind of knocked me off of my high horse:)
     
  9. RMulhern

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    Sad to say.....very few people these days know the 'art' of using aperture sights! If you're under 40 years of age....and have not had an NRA HP shooter as a Father/Mother....basically all that is known is the use of scope sights!! Look at our military!! They don't teach marksmanship any longer; rather massed fire! The powers that be figure the more lead thrown toward the enemy the better and that is far from the truth! When I went through Boot Camp in 1958 my unit spent two weeks aka 80 hours on what was known as the PRI Circle. PRI = Preliminary Rifle Instruction! That was where we studied correct shooting positions, sight alignment, sight picture, trigger control and proper use of the sights! Now....our guys are lucky if they can get 10 hours from competent instructors....so much so that the military is having to mount scope sights on combat rifles!!
     
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    Yes Sir your right . I had a guy come into my place of work the other day and talked about using the M1 garand and how they shot it out to I believe he said 500 yards and he held his hands up to show the target and i thought most people want shoot that kind of group at 500 with a scoped out bolt action.

    Thanks for your service and the video it was very humbling!
    Now I have to go practice.

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    I am fortunate to live in a hot spot for Black Powder Cartridge shooting and get to shoot with some of the top names, it's quite humbling to shoot with these guys and they are just good guys to boot.
    I'm half done with a Rolling block in a fast twist 40-65 shooting some of the new bullet designs of Dan Theadore it should be a good shooter!

    My dad a father in law shoot a couple matches a month, they both are just coming of shoulder surgery and they are hitting every match they can, it almost killed them not to shoot for 3 months but now they can actually use there shoulders, the Buffalo Arms cataloge get's worn out at my house!

    So many guns so little time and money!!!!
     
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    bigngreen I would like to see your rifle when you get it done.
    I really liked how in the video he would shoot and move his head over to the spotting scope and then wait a few seconds and the bullet would eventually smack the target . it is note worthy that they don't have the big tank muzzle breaks on their rifles either . looked like it shoved the shooters neck back a bit.

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    Recoil from blackpowder is different, at worst it's a huge shove but by the end of match you a little tired of it. Those guns aren't exactly fly weight, the lightest one we shoot is just over 12 lbs and we shoot it of hand all the time in shilotte and schutzen matches, super fun!
    Some have recoil reducers in the butt stock to help out a little.

    We eat up 130-145 MOA to get on at 1000yrd with the 40-65.:D
     
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    What's considered fast twist and normal twist? I know a good round ball muzzle loader likes a 1:46 and the sabot rifles are 1:24. What type of twist rates do you use in black powder cartridge rifles?

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