Stock F-Class Build

[Don A Parsons]

I'm rigging up a Remington 30/06 Long Range for "Stock F Class shooting" here in Western Canada.


My old Leopold Ver III 6.5x20 will be the starting optics on this project.
This old school scope has 1/4" per click or 4 clicks per inch.
The max clicks from bottom too top is 58,,, so this would be 14.5 MOA of adjustment.

So what angle of MOA ramp would be a good place to start.

I would like too still zero in for a 100 or 200 yards for my normal stuff,,, but need too reach out too the 900 meter / 1000 yard mark with room too play with some adjustment.


I'm starting off with Hornady ELD-X Hunter bullets,,, but it will change over time as these bullets "could" go up in weight as I begin testing different grains of them too...

200gr, 210gr, or 212gr.



My ft-per second will be the same as the 308 compitition ammo.

2550 ft per second on the heavy bullets,,, mid weight bullets could see 2775 ft per second.


This is my friends world national match rifle that he lent me for the competition. Its chambered in 308 with 34" Jury barrel. And one of the longest custom wood stocks ever made for F-Class shooting.


First time for me too ever shoot F Class as I placed 3rd out of 7 in the day.


So is it wize too look at a 10 or 20 MOA ramp for my Leopold Scope, or am I not looking at this wrong or right of considering a MOA ramp in the first place.

More questions too ask as my build is soon too get underway.

Western Canada Don

 

[Plinker147]

With a 100 yard zero you will dial around 30ish MOA to get to 1000 so I would go with a 20 MOA rail.

 

[Don A Parsons]

So why am I going too the "Stock F-Class route.

The reason is many factors.

First and far-most is practical and costs.

Practical is having a rifle that I can use for my iron silhouette stuff, paper plinking, game harvest at close range, predator control at a fraction of distance beyond that,,, and now this F-Class stuff along with a kick at the can of Full-Bore if it comes.

The plus for me is having some awesome rifle builders up here in Western Canada, and most of them compete in one forum or the other.

Costs are another factor up here in Canada as we're 38 cents less the USD funds,,, so it doesn't take long too burn up our funds when most of our quality stuff comes from the USA.

Practical too me is having one unit too getter done.

I was a man of many rifles, but now I own 3,,, this Remmy LR, a 22 rim fire, and old school 12 gudage shot gun.

The advantage of 1 for me allows me too learn the unit well,,, I had a tact 308 years ago as I learned it well, but the many units from small critter getters too big Magnums made it hard to choose which unit too bring on the outtings,,, so a old school 30/06 will fit all my needs.

Game harvest will work so long as I allow the rifle and I too stay with in range for clean harvest when allowed,,, 40 too 140 yards with exception too distance of 200 or 350 if the critter permits for a safe humain take-down.

Harvesting game at this stage of my life is at the back burner of the out-doors stuff I do now days,,, but having things too do in the foot-hills of the Rocky Mountains adds value too my outtings.




Creek and small lake fishing is part of the mix, along with archery. Ha.

This long range shooting is all new too me, so I see part of it fitting into the mix.


My favourite past time is


And spending time with


Its all about the relaxing stuff in life for friends and me.


LOL.

Any Who, I need too get up too speed on these so called MOA ramps, or finding out if something like this will benefit fit me in the long hual.

Iron silhouettes stuff is 100 too 500 yards up here, so a factory scope with standard bases work fine, but going into the Long distant F Class stuff might limit my reach and adjustments threw the year.

Elevation, temp, barometric pressure, wind gravity and other factors will be playing havoc on my bullets,,, along with mirages that dance across the target on the hot summer days.

Don

 

[Don A Parsons]

With a 100 yard zero you will dial around 30ish MOA to get to 1000 so I would go with a 20 MOA rail.

Thankyou Plinker, this was what I was guessing as I've had nothing to do with MOA rails.

So having this 20 MOA will still allow my scope too zero to 200 yards ???

 

[kyron]

With a scope that only has 14 or so moa of adjustment sitting on a 20 moa rail no a 200 yard zero will be impossible. On that rail you will need about 13 moa of drop before zero is even possible. That might be somewhere around 400 or 500 yards.

 

[kyron]

By the way those are some cool pictures.

 

[Don A Parsons]

Thx Kyron.

I finally found some info on the Web that discussed the advantages and nots.

These old-school Leopold optics are limited for elevation adjustments as I found out from other forms, so the rail idea will work for the 1000 yard, but getting zero at 200 yards would be challenging.

So after crunching the numbers I can see a new scope coming into the picture. Sell the 6.5x20 Leopold and pick up a Sightron 8x32 as it will fit this build. "cost" are factored in of course.

It dosen't take long too burn up $2000 CND funds on optics up here, not saying there isn't $4 and $5 ++ G dollar scopes up here as well.

Way beyond my spending alot-ment...

I'm more about mid quality for best bang for the buck.
This Nikon Monarch III cost $570 CND funds


And the no fault warranty is out standing.
This is my open hole mill dot scope for iron silhouette shooting as its fast too range different distances from 100 too 500 yards,,, the large bottom bar of the duplex allows me to reach out to 565 yards with the 30/06 150gr.


Yes its a mid range budget scope, but it will get the job done for what its intended for.
The built in parallax range finder / clarity adjustment works fast, and brings the target into clear view in the closer ranges of 100 too 500 meters
Not a real range finder, but pretty close for the iron targets stuff.
This is my Ruger M77 that's supporting the iron stuff at the moment till the Remmy LR comes together.


Hopefully I'll peace together a package that fits my funds aloted over the next few months as I'd rather research things out so I don't waist my time replacing too much stuff as I go.

Saved funds allow for other things, and it allows me to travel or take more time off too relax along the way... Working too buy stuff I don't really need is not my plan now days.

This is why I have just enough to get by.

I'll share on the "Less is More" program over the next while since there are many folks out there that purhaps think the same way..

Having stuff that can multi task at different things only makes sense as it allows us to get the best bangs for our buck.

Both sides of our boarders as we have more in common than we think,,, I call Canada and the United States of America the Americas since alot of my family history started off down that way.

Don

 

[Don A Parsons]

So if I may ask on this thread.

If I was too find a scope at $600 too $650 new in UDS funds / $1000 ish CND dollars for a scope too allow my 30/06 too shoot from 100 to 1000 yards.

What units should I consider.

I'd like this scope too be able too harvest game, predator control, iron silhouettes, and for F-Class shooting with the option of trying Full Bore free hand at a latter date.

Cost is a factor. And duplex is nice for bush Harvesting along with the the idea of being able to see the V ring or out 6' target at 900m/ 1000 yards.

Yes I know 1 scope can't do it all, but whats out there that "could" fit this area.

3.5x16 power,,, or 4x18 if that be.

It would be nice too have at least 75 MOA too.

Sure would be nice too keep the price at bay.

Don from Western Canada

 

[Don A Parsons]

I'm still looking for feedback from post #8.

Just as I finished typing post #8 out,,, my long time friend showed up, he completed in the National Full Bore stuff in the 80's to mid 90's.

He took a look at both my scopes and he pushed the new Nikon Monarch III too the side.

Carl G
"Whens the last time you've used this Leopold Scope Don."

Me
"It's been in a box on the shelf for 20 years, I used it on my Remmy 300 Mag and once sighted in it was never adjusted from that point on."

Carl G
"You do know that these 6.5-20 X 50mm scopes came factory with 60 MOA."

Me
"Not according to the turns and the numbers Carl."

Carl G
Your numbers are wrong Don, each full turn on these scopes is 15 MOA,,, X's by 4 turns = 60 MOA."

So Carl got too work freeing up the dials, be dammed if he wasn't able too get things freed up. Ha... And looking at the number 14 "made me miss out on the 15 mark" that is not showing in the hash marks. LOL.

So my Vari III Leopold Scope has the 60 MOA.

Carl G
"So Don, do the 20 MOA rail as it will take you too the 1000 yard / 900 meter mark easy.
Your 0 might be 220 too 250 yards on the low dial down,,, this is ok for guys like us as we've been doing the Kentucky Windage thing for all these years.

Not only us,,, but many other folks have been doing this for hundreds of years, and it will get us by."

Big thanks too Carl G as he's learned his stuff well, but I'm still long term planning a optic scope that will give me the all.

One rifle, one scope, and one reloaded cartrage for my 30/06 is soon too get underway.

Finding the do all scope will cover all my bases.

Don

 

[kyron]

Cool. In that case you should be good to go. Within your budget I don't think you will get a better scope for all around use. You could get a better for f-class and you could probably get a better for hunting. But for one to do it all I would definitely stick with what you have.

 

[Don A Parsons]

I'm thinking the same thing kyron.

The old Leopold has a new friend too hang with today.


Tilly 20 MOA rail, lucky so far as the see threw wall chart alignment shows that the rifle might be able too do the 100 yard zero,,, I'll know more once the field tests get underway.



Next stop will be at my good friends place as he works his magic too iron out all the unknowns that some folks don't see.

Robert builds and competes in the Nationals, this is a plus as he has learned the hard way from trial and error.

Anyone under his roof has too play by his rules as its not worth his effort or ours as wasting time is unproductive,,, no one needs to go down this road.

Lucky we are as its folks like this that get us up too speed fast.
A wealth of information with or without costs as I'm willing to do what ever it takes as it saves me funds over the long haul.

Don

 

[Don A Parsons]

I hope the factory barrel works, a backup plan is a barrel builder who lives a few miles down the road.

Bob Jury makes some world class barrels that he ships around the world,,, most of his business is here in Canada.

You name it, he will build it.

Robert will be in Ireland next year competing in the worlds as his 34" heavy bore 308 Jury barrel will take him too task.

Don

 

[Don A Parsons]

One rifle, one scope and one kind of bullet & cartrage.

Each person choose what works for them, much like my Uncle Stan that took up the 303 British Enfield mark IIII. 190gr jacket soft point blunt nose.
It came with the Candian squre cut precision buck Horn sights that had the long slide ramp for range. He was pretty good with this unit after returning from Europe,,, it served him for 72 yesrs.

My other Uncle took on the Winchester 64 in 30/06 with a weaver fixed 4X. 180gr round nose as he took on Harvesting Northern Ontario Canada Moose,,, and lots of them. 60 years if I recall.

My Pops had his gramp's Winchester long octagon barrel 30/30 as he ran with 170gr round nose on the buck Horn cowboy iron sights on the old lever action.
They brought it up when they left Nebraska for the big land give away on the Prairies of Western Canada... That old rifle only seen 2 kinds of ammo in its 115 years. Full lead, and the jacked 170gr bullets as it has now passed into the 5th generation.

I'm sure lots of us know stories told by friends and family that only had enough funds too have 1 unit for their entire life time,,, so this is where I'm going.

I was lucky with in mine as I've had way too many over the years, so returning to the first new rifle I owned was the good old 30/06,,, it will take everything I need it too take,,, plus it will fill in for both critter harvests & predator control...
The side line too this will be F-Class shooting, and more iron silhouette shoots.

I've pretty much picked the Hornady EDL-X 178 hunting bullet as its high in SD and BC for everything as well...

I'm good with the scope I have too get started,,, but 1/2 if not 2/3's in the mid thick bush,,, I've had good success with 4x Harvesting with variable power optics. But I see it might be wizer for me too start looking at the 3.5X as it will allow more field of view.

I like the idea of 30 ish power as it works good for long range target stuff on those hot days since it makes it easier too see the mirages and water line on the big target at 900m / 1000 yards
At least 22X for sure.

My plan is "1" scope for the all.

Target plinking, game harvest in the bush, open field harvest, iron silhouette shooting, now F-Class.

I'm not going too be switching back and forth as I'll boot all 7 of my optics for the one that hits this category.

I've yet too find a 3.5-30x50mm scope, but I bet that there are some folks on this forum that can point me in the right direction...

The 3.5-18x50 is pretty common now days, so what's the highest power option scope that's out there in the 3.5 too what ever power too choose from.

I might even have too settle for the 5 power option as I've seen them in the 25 max zoom, but even 5 power is tuff going up here in Western Canada's thick forests.

Thick forests means dark shaded in areas,,, this is where the 2.5 too 3.5 power works it's best.

Many of us have worked with this kanundrum,,, so what's the options for me too choose from for a 1 time scope that will do it all.

PS: price is not a factor as I'll have funds left over once all the other scopes are sold off.

That's the nice things about optics here in Canada,,, they hold 2/3's value since our CND dollar sucks. LOL.

Chime in if anyone knows where I can find the most power from 3.5 on up too what as I'm trying to find in max power at the top end.

Thanks from Don

 

[kyron]

The two scopes I can think of that go very low magnification to fairly high are both from IOR Valdada. The Recon is 4-28x and the Crusader is 5.8-40x. Those are both very expensive, more than $3,000us. I do not know of anything else with that kind of range in magnification but there might be something else out there.