Shoot Dirty . . . ?

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  1. lckytylr

    lckytylr Well-Known Member

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    Shoot Like a Sniper: 10 Tips to Help Your Long-Range Shooting | Outdoor Life

    Number Two - Shoot Dirty.

    What do you guys think? I have always cleaned my (factory) rifle after every range session. I don't particularly enjoy cleaning, but it seemed that if I took 20 - 30 shots, my accuracy fell to hell, so I'd clean ('til the copper was gone).

    Now, if I have a custom rifle with a Bartlein barrel . . . what do you guys suggest for cleaning . . . every 20 rounds . . . every 200 rounds . . . somewhere in between . . . ?

    The Can O' Worms has been opened!!!
     
  2. FearNoWind

    FearNoWind Well-Known Member

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    My cleaning regimen is rifle specific. Some of my rifles need cleaning more frequently than others. For copper fouling issues I recommend Tubbs ammo to help rid the bore of imperfections that tend to trap copper. That usually takes care of the problem and you're unlikely to have copper fouling after that exercise.
    I never clean during a match where the round count is less than 50 rounds (foulers not counted). I always clean after a match or practice session regardless of round count and I remove them from storage to clean at least once a year when they're not in regular use.
     
  3. climb-101

    climb-101 Well-Known Member

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    I have herd from a few guys on this and they say to clean the carbon out but leave the copper. it kind of acts as a bearing surface and helps keep things in line. they say that once they clean all the copper out it takes 10-15 rounds to get there groups to tighten back up to where they were before cleaning. plus it's the carbon that harms stuff, not the copper. seems to make sence to me. otherrs swear it needs to be perfectly clean every time.

    I figure I would give it a try on mine and see if I notice a difference between cleaning out just the carbon and cleaning out all the copper.
     
  4. C.O. Shooter

    C.O. Shooter Well-Known Member

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    Canadian Bushman Well-Known Member

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    Thourough cleaning every 150-300 rounds on custom barrels.

    Wipe down outside of barrel and chamber after every shoot.
     
  6. jpd676

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    I would never go hunting with a clean bore. Most of my rifles shoot high and right on the first few shots (that is on a carbon cleaned rifle not copper cleaned). I always have at least three down the tube before I go out into the field. You need to know where your cold bore hits for that first round in the field but a cold clean bore is putting you at an accuracy disadvantage (in my opinion).
     
  7. SabreCross

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    I've said it in another thread. All of bolt guns have copper fouling. When cleaning the carbon fouling out, I primarily use a jag and Rem oil to clean the barrel. Every three or four shootings I use a bore brush (1 swipe).
     
  8. trebark

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    Only clean a barrel if it is a remedy for an accuracy problem.
     
  9. MudRunner2005

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    I don't clean a rifle until it starts throwing shots. If it's a dedicated hunting rifle, I might run a wet patch down the bore before each season just to remove any settled dust from being in the safe, but as for range toys, I only clean them when they start throwing shots from copper fouling.
     
  10. SabreCross

    SabreCross Well-Known Member

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    now a 1911 is a different story!
     
  11. FEENIX

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    Yep, same here! I normally do my last cold bore shot before hunting season starts. Check for obstruction at the end of each hunt day for safety reasons and never clean it until the end of the hunting season.

    The pix is a cold bore shot of my .270 AI @ 200 yards before the 2014 hunting season using 175 Matrix VLD at 2993 FPS (http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f84/270-ais-1st-big-game-harvest-143492/#post1009714)
     

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  12. Mikecr

    Mikecr Well-Known Member

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    In contrast to others, I've had a good number of guns that would copper foul out. This, including the very best in aftermarket.
    I'm convinced that copper is not 'good'.

    I always clean to white metal after range sessions, with WS2 dry prefouling before putting guns back in the safe. This puts my first shot(when I need it) as good as any.
    With a hunting trip, I don't clean till I'm done. Then I clean it same as a range session.

    Don't trust anything from that tactical/assualt weapon bunch of tards..
    After all, what basis is behind any of their notions?
     
  13. FurTaker

    FurTaker Well-Known Member

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    Let's keep the name calling to a minimum yeah?

    A lot of the tactical/assault weapon "tards" are the same people that defend this country!!

    Your not going to find a single internet forum that doesn't have some misleading information.

    And right or wrong they deserve more respect than that. So how about we try to be a little more civil?
     
  14. FEENIX

    FEENIX Well-Known Member

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    I didn't read the article or know any of them but "amen to that".
     

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