Sen. Mitch McConnell is warning us..

[Joe King]

The thing that really worries me is which piper is he going to choose? Sometimes the guy reminds me of an angry teenage boy that just got told no. Is he gonna say ta hell with it and do what h e wants, or what he should?

 

[SidecarFlip]

The thing that really worries me is which piper is he going to choose? Sometimes the guy reminds me of an angry teenage boy that just got told no. Is he gonna say ta hell with it and do what h e wants, or what he should?

That he does. I'm sure he was raised with a sliber spoon in his mouth and never told no by anyone but thats all conjecture as well. I find it interesting and disturbing that the American people really know nothing about Barak Hussein Obama. He's like the Manchurian Candidate. He's a non entity that is President, an enigmna.

We know what his MO is. it's anti firearm. All his cohorts are anti-firearm but then again, removal of firearms from the citizens advances his socialist timeline even faster and eliminates most all the resistance to his end game.

It essence is two hits for the price of one. He gets rid of the looming menace, private ownership of firearms (under thye false guise of banning AR style weapons while Feinstein's bill that he actually embraces covers much more than AR's) and advances his agenda of Socialism. He's counting (I believe falsely) on public apathy to get this done and like I stated earlier, I really in my heart of hearts don't believe he is taking into account the gravity of the situation he and his cabal are cooking up for us, the sheeple.

I believe they are under the impression that as in the past, there will be some resistance but for the good of the whole (socialist agenda), people will subvert. I don't see that occuring this time. This is all about our basic rights and the Constitution that was in place and the law of the land, long before Barak Hussein Obama even existed.

This time is uniquely different than all the 'crisis' that have occured under his watch. It's unique for a number of reasons that I stated above and it's also unique that a well respected, heavily financed, high profile American Institution is actively backing the fight and thats why Obama has made the demise of the NRA a personal vendetta and why I certainly don't mind contributiing whatever I can afford to them.

This whole situation has some very unique and profound implications, no matter which way it pans out. I'm sure this will be talked about and revisited many times in the future by historians, much like we visit past history and empires long since fallen.

Make no mistake. The United States is an empire, Just like the Roman Empire was and the President of this empire is the most powerful person on the planet. Thats why millionares spend millions to get elected. It's all about power. Obama revels in it. He basks in the glow. He lives for that ultimate power and we are in his cross hairs. He can bring upon us, death and destruction with a mere stroke of his pen. Never forget that.

Thats why diplomacy and a tacitful approach to this is of utmost importance.

I'd suggest everyone that likes to read, go to the library and get a copy of the hardcover book 'No Easy Day' and read it and pay close attention to the last chapter. It's an insightful book. I enjoyed it immensely not only from being able to look at what a Navy Seal does but their political views as well.

 

[Ridge Runner]

The way it is
once the line is drawn in the sand, if the united states military fires on its own people the country is doomed.
If they refuse and foreign troops are sent in, there will be a fight, c'mon people 300 million guns in this country of 280 million people, it is the largest armed force in the world, do you think the government has the stones to take it to full blown civil war?
RR

 

[SidecarFlip]

The way it is
once the line is drawn in the sand, if the united states military fires on its own people the country is doomed.
If they refuse and foreign troops are sent in, there will be a fight, c'mon people 300 million guns in this country of 280 million people, it is the largest armed force in the world, do you think the government has the stones to take it to full blown civil war?
RR

In a nutshell....YES.

However if you understand the parameters of a Civil War, this can't be (if it occurs( classified as a Civil War. Civil War is when 2 factions confront each other over what each faction considers non-negotiable reasons, example the North against the South over Lincoln's abolishment of slavery.

What this would be for all practical purposes is a Coop (Coo). Thats when the citizens rebel against the central government over a non-negotiable issue.

We aren't at that point yet, in fact, a long way from that point and you as a responsible firearm owner and citizen need to keep that in mind. There has been no government mandated confiscation of weapons nor has the government legislated anything anti-firearm (with the exception of New York Governor Cumo but he's an ******* anyway and he will not get re-elected I suspect. Cumo is grandstanding, beating his chest, just what we, as the opposition, don't want to do. Let Cumo look like the ******* he is)...

The NRA made a very profound statement in their abstaining from sponsoring the Harrisburg Firearms show, in part because the State of Pennsylvania and the City of Harrisburg requested that no AR style rifles were to be sold or exhibited at the show. When the NRA pulled it's sponsorship, the shows promoter canceled. The NRA was the largest supporter but the NRA, right now has a much larger obligation to it's members and that is to protect our Second Amendment rights. I, for one stand behind their decision.

Again, we are a long way from any legislation and it's common knowledge that both Republican and Democratic legislators oppose Feinstein's bill. Any sane person knows that her bill will do nothing to remove firearms from criminal hands. Criminals don't register guns, criminals don't buy guns. What changes under Feinsteins bill is criminals (and the government) know you are unarmed and you can't defend yourself or your family against criminal intent or an oppressive government.

 

[yobuck]

The way it is
once the line is drawn in the sand, if the united states military fires on its own people the country is doomed.
If they refuse and foreign troops are sent in, there will be a fight, c'mon people 300 million guns in this country of 280 million people, it is the largest armed force in the world, do you think the government has the stones to take it to full blown civil war?
RR

in a nutshell, yes i do.
first off the vast majority will willingly or somewhat willingly turn them in when the time comes.
remember wako.
also remember randy weaver.
his wife was shot in the head while standing on her porch holding an infant.
did randy go to jail for his so called crime?
remember elean gonzales the 5 year old found alive in a tube off the florida keys. (i lived there at the time) he was the only survivor of a flotila including his mother who perished trying to reach freedom from communisum. he had
relatives in miami and he was taken there. but alas bill clinton not wanting to offend our good neibor castro sent the well armed brown shirts in the middle of the night.

im afraid the only chance we would have would be if our military leaders were
patriots first and soldiers second.

now as for the term moderate.
there are but two political mindsets.
one would be conservative minded or constitutional minded if you prefer.
the other is a pro government or liberal mindset.
a moderate is actualy a liberal without the balls to admitt it.

 

[yobuck]

The way it is
once the line is drawn in the sand, if the united states military fires on its own people the country is doomed.
If they refuse and foreign troops are sent in, there will be a fight, c'mon people 300 million guns in this country of 280 million people, it is the largest armed force in the world, do you think the government has the stones to take it to full blown civil war?
RR

in a nutshell, yes i do.
first off the vast majority will willingly or somewhat willingly turn them in when the time comes.
remember wako.
also remember randy weaver.
his wife was shot in the head while standing on her porch holding an infant.
did randy go to jail for his so called crime?
remember elean gonzales the 5 year old found alive in a tube off the florida keys. (i lived there at the time) he was the only survivor of a flotila including his mother who perished trying to reach freedom from communisum. he had
relatives in miami and he was taken there. but alas bill clinton not wanting to offend our good neibor castro sent the well armed brown shirts in the middle of the night.

im afraid the only chance we would have would be if our military leaders were
patriots first and soldiers second.

now as for the term moderate.
there are but two political mindsets.
one would be conservative minded or constitutional minded if you prefer.
the other is a pro government or liberal mindset.
a moderate is actualy a liberal without the balls to admitt it.

 

[SidecarFlip]

in a nutshell, yes i do.
first off the vast majority will willingly or somewhat willingly turn them in when the time comes.
remember wako.
also remember randy weaver.
his wife was shot in the head while standing on her porch holding an infant.
did randy go to jail for his so called crime?
remember elean gonzales the 5 year old found alive in a tube off the florida keys. (i lived there at the time) he was the only survivor of a flotila including his mother who perished trying to reach freedom from communisum. he had
relatives in miami and he was taken there. but alas bill clinton not wanting to offend our good neibor castro sent the well armed brown shirts in the middle of the night.

im afraid the only chance we would have would be if our military leaders were
patriots first and soldiers second.

now as for the term moderate.
there are but two political mindsets.
one would be conservative minded or constitutional minded if you prefer.
the other is a pro government or liberal mindset.
a moderate is actualy a liberal without the balls to admitt it.

JC, you old farts cut to the bone....

I'm trying to be diplomatic and along you come and smoke it. Young'ins today don't remember like we do. Sort of like Nam. I'll never forget.

At least we agree on one thing.... Yes, they will.

 

[SidecarFlip]

Lets put it in perspective in more recent times...

Katrina. What did the soliders do? They confiscated firearms from civillians using undue force if necessary, under orders because martial law was declared.

No different here. Same scenario but on a much larger scale.

When you get to the non-negotiable point and all hell breaks loose. You better be prepared both spiritually and mentally be exterminated.

Like I said in another post we aren't talking about a video game where you turn it off, there is no off switch. It's not like hunting an animal. The 'animal' you are hunting is hunting you as well. You only hope of survival is killing it before it kills you.

Reality check is diplomacy and negotiation, always. The alternative, I don't believe a whole lot of people on here and elsewhere really have the stones.

 

[Ridge Runner]

what you must remember
when the japanese empourer wanted to invade the us mainland, what was he told? something about a rifle behind every blade of grass? and you think that the powers that be in washington have the stomache for it? and you think that they don't know that they will be vulnerable while this is going on? can they actualy protect themselves if everyone within range storms camp david? can they defend it against a 1 million strong force?
I'm saying if the public organizes, we have a chance, all the whining and crying about how bad it will be, isn't gonna help anything.
pay your money take your chances and hope.....not for yourself but for a brighter future for the united states of america, land of the free, home of the brave.
RR

 

[Joe King]

This aughta make you guys feel a bit better
White House gun push narrows to background checks - Reid J. Epstein and John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com

This doesn't mean thie fight is done yet, not even this round. The UN gun ban is still lurking around the corner

 

[Hookturnr]

The only thing that means is they are playing three card monty with your rights. Think about this for a moment:

Whats the only way to ensure that universal background checks are enforced?

Full Registration.

What comes after full registration?

Confiscation.

This is only a ploy to split the issues up a little bit to try to retain as many democratic House and Senate seats as possible in the 2014 elections so they can continue on this crusade.

Obama has converted his campaign apparatus into a massive lobbying agency for his own personal use. They are attempting to frame the debate as harmless through "social engineering". Have you noticed it's not about "gun control" anymore, now it's about "gun safety" and "common sense".

Don't be fooled by the rhetoric, this still is an all out assault on your GOD GIVEN RIGHTS. Use the link at www.ruger.com and then call your congressman and senators, send written correspondence through the mail and request that they send you a reply stating their position so you can reference it in the upcoming election. I agree with Flip, I don't think too many have the stones either but they say it only takes 5% of the population to affect change. If I recall properly only 3% fought in ther revolutionary war and only 10% offered support. Lets get this done in the ballotbox folks.

 

[SidecarFlip]

The only thing that means is they are playing three card monty with your rights. Think about this for a moment:

Whats the only way to ensure that universal background checks are enforced?

Full Registration.

What comes after full registration?

Confiscation.

This is only a ploy to split the issues up a little bit to try to retain as many democratic House and Senate seats as possible in the 2014 elections so they can continue on this crusade.

Obama has converted his campaign apparatus into a massive lobbying agency for his own personal use. They are attempting to frame the debate as harmless through "social engineering". Have you noticed it's not about "gun control" anymore, now it's about "gun safety" and "common sense".

Don't be fooled by the rhetoric, this still is an all out assault on your GOD GIVEN RIGHTS. Use the link at www.ruger.com and then call your congressman and senators, send written correspondence through the mail and request that they send you a reply stating their position so you can reference it in the upcoming election. I agree with Flip, I don't think too many have the stones either but they say it only takes 5% of the population to affect change. If I recall properly only 3% fought in ther revolutionary war and only 10% offered support. Lets get this done in the ballotbox folks.

I hold the Lord in high reverence as well but it was our founding fathers not Jesus Christ that gave use the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They might have consulted him but he didn't do the writing........

As an aside, I've used the link on Ruger's website but I think the NRA-ILA website offers a better format because you can either use their format or write your own and the download it and make hard copies on your printer ans the mailing address of any and all politicians are pre printed on each letter for you to address the envelopes with. I bought 45 bucks worth of stamps and I've used about all of them.

Speaking of Rugers, I just got done doing a trigger job on a Ruger Match Target pistol. Those things are miserable to work on but the stock trigger really sucks. I feel like a watchmaker, man those parts are tiny....

 

[SidecarFlip]

This aughta make you guys feel a bit better
White House gun push narrows to background checks - Reid J. Epstein and John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com

This doesn't mean thie fight is done yet, not even this round. The UN gun ban is still lurking around the corner

The UN/EU ban is as bad if not worse than Feinstein's and if the United States adopts the UN ban (remember the NRA really put the hammer down last time), that means NATO troops come in and enforce it without Chancellor Obama declaring martial law or public emergency....

Scary thoughts.

 

[Joe King]

Here's my take on it. #1 he completely got it wrong for how the American public is concerned. I think that he figured we'd all just go along with it, with out a whole lot of resistance. Others have said that Obummer has a total disconnect with Americans, especially rural Americans. I think it just got shoved in his face very blatantly how disconnected he is from us, and it took him totally off guard. In other words he got his finger bit for poking it in the dogs face while the dogs was eating. Keep in mind his proposal for unversal background check hasn't been introduced yet, there's still work to be done on that so now we need to writing, calling, petitioning ect. our folks we sent to Washington, as well as flooding the NRA, NAGR, and all other progun groups, pro 2nd groups. To keep the pressure on.

Don't forget though the Obummer still has a stick that he can poke with, so it's even more important now to get one thing across "back the hell off dude"

This article highlights my over all view of the guy, he doesn't really get it yet, and he's not really very mature in his actions.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...l-advocates-should-listen-more/#ixzz2JDsHkm4Y