Quick Load help with 28 Nosler

[maninthemaze]

Case capacity is all over the place online. I looked at Noslers website but couldn't find any info.

This article lists it at 97.7
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/1/25/the-28-nosler/

This article lists it at 100.7
https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2015/9/16/hardware-28-nosler/

I found another one somewhere that listed it at 100.6 so that was the one I picked.

As far as the COAL being long. This was the spec given by rpierce on his rifles that are throated specifically for the 195 Berger.

Thanks for the double check!!!

 

[maninthemaze]

I also want to reiterate that my gun isn't done yet. So I don't have any way to actually measure my specific throat for COAL or fired case capacity. I really didn't realize the specifics that went into QuickLoad. I have only seen the results. Someone on here asks for some data and a few posts later there is a ton of data posted.

Thanks guys..I really do appreciate the help and insight.

 

[nvreloader]

Man

Here is the site I got for the Nosler spec's,

28 Nosler Load Data - Nosler

Will check out his site and info.,

Tia,
Don

 

[maninthemaze]

Man

Here is the site I got for the Nosler spec's,

28 Nosler Load Data - Nosler

Will check out his site and info.,

Tia,
Don

Looking on Noslers graphs where it shows "case holds" this changes with each bullet selected. It says....

120 grain bullet at 95.9
140 grain bullet at 94.5
150 grain bullet at 93.8
160 grain bullet at 92.5
168 grain bullet at 91.0
175 grain bullet at 90.0

I'm guessing this is case capacity with bullet seated at their COAL???

 

[nvreloader]

Man
You are correct on that info,
as the bullet is seated deep within the case in the OEM version,
which changes the usable CC.

Are you building or getting the rpierce version of the 28 Nosler?

Quite a difference between those 2 in case capacity.

What I understand from the info from his posts,
he throats the bbl out to take/use the 195gr Berger bullets, at a maximum case OAL length,
which does increase the usable case capacity of that case etc,
he also give the RL-33 load info etc in his posts.

Tia,
Don

 

[maninthemaze]

I'm having it throated specifically for the 195 Berger. So yes, my coal should be somewhere around the same as rpierce. The only difference is I happen to have 5 pounds of R26 left over from my 7wsm. It worked so well in that rifle, I'm really hoping to put it to good use in a 28 Nosler.

 

[Blacktail63]

I have worked my 28 Nosler with the 195 Berger and the 175 Nosler ABLR. My load for the 195 Berger is Nosler Brass, 215M Federal primers and 88gr of RL33. This load shoots .5MOA to 1000yds and has a muzzle velocity of 3050 at a COAL of 3.6". The Nosler 175 shoots with the same accuracy but I get 3200fps with 90.5gr of RL33. RL26 leaves to much on the table(1-200fps). For a 175$ you can buy a new 8lb. jug. That's a fraction of the $s your spending on the rifle.
My version of Q/L isn't updated but the approximation is close. I used this for my starting point on both bullets that I shoot and worked up the loads. I think they're several powders better suited to the 28. My first two picks would be RL33 and Retumbo. Look up the other discussions on this site regarding the 28 Nosler.
Good luck and good shooting!

Cartridge : .26 Nosler
Bullet : ?? .284, 180, Berger Hunt VLD G7 #28502
Useable Case Capaci: 95.185 grain H2O = 6.180 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch = 91.44 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-26

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 68 64.00 2527 2551 34570 12214 100.0 1.785
-18.0 70 65.60 2584 2668 36900 12405 100.0 1.741
-16.0 71 67.20 2640 2786 39363 12588 100.0 1.688
-14.0 73 68.80 2695 2904 41968 12768 100.0 1.636
-12.0 75 70.40 2750 3023 44722 12945 100.0 1.586
-10.0 76 72.00 2804 3142 47632 13119 100.0 1.539
-08.0 78 73.60 2857 3263 50706 13290 100.0 1.494
-06.0 80 75.20 2910 3385 53955 13458 100.0 1.451
-04.0 81 76.80 2962 3507 57388 13623 100.0 1.410 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 83 78.40 3014 3631 61016 13784 100.0 1.370 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 85 80.00 3065 3755 64851 13942 100.0 1.332 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 87 81.60 3116 3881 68907 14096 100.0 1.295 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 88 83.20 3167 4008 73197 14247 100.0 1.259 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 90 84.80 3217 4136 77737 14394 100.0 1.226 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 92 86.40 3267 4265 82545 14537 100.0 1.193 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 93 88.00 3316 4396 87639 14676 100.0 1.161 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 85 80.00 3157 3983 77525 13567 100.0 1.232 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 85 80.00 2928 3426 51879 14485 100.0 1.468

Cartridge : .26 Nosler
Bullet : ?? .284, 180, Berger Hunt VLD G7 #28502
Useable Case Capaci: 95.185 grain H2O = 6.180 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch = 91.44 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-33

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 77 74.40 2477 2451 31869 13240 91.2 1.823
-18.0 79 76.26 2545 2589 34276 13692 92.7 1.775
-16.0 81 78.12 2614 2732 36872 14124 94.1 1.728
-14.0 83 79.98 2684 2879 39632 14532 95.3 1.667
-12.0 85 81.84 2753 3030 42577 14915 96.4 1.610
-10.0 87 83.70 2823 3185 45736 15270 97.4 1.555
-08.0 89 85.56 2892 3344 49127 15593 98.2 1.503
-06.0 91 87.42 2962 3506 52767 15883 98.9 1.452
-04.0 93 89.28 3031 3671 56677 16137 99.4 1.404 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 95 91.14 3100 3840 60879 16352 99.7 1.357 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 96 93.00 3168 4011 65401 16527 99.9 1.312 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 98 94.86 3236 4185 70270 16662 100.0 1.269 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 100 96.72 3303 4360 75520 16777 100.0 1.227 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 102 98.58 3370 4538 81188 16886 100.0 1.187 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 104 100.44 3436 4718 87314 16989 100.0 1.148 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 106 102.30 3502 4901 93949 17085 100.0 1.111 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 96 93.00 3318 4400 80349 15882 100.0 1.199 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 96 93.00 2946 3470 50841 16464 95.7 1.465

Cartridge : .26 Nosler
Bullet : ?? .284, 180, Berger Hunt VLD G7 #28502
Useable Case Capaci: 95.185 grain H2O = 6.180 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch = 91.44 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 56875 psi, or 392 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

234 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ADI AR 2218 96.7 90.4 5.86 3101 99.7 56875 16859 1.362 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570 92.0 85.2 5.52 3047 99.2 56875 16329 1.396 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 80 95.1 90.6 5.87 3039 99.7 56875 16080 1.400 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-33 92.7 89.4 5.79 3034 99.4 56875 16148 1.401 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-50 98.0 93.0 6.03 3028 99.1 56875 16517 1.432 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870 97.9 88.7 5.75 3022 99.9 56875 15678 1.404 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 95.3 84.0 5.45 2996 100.0 56875 14102 1.390 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2225 95.3 84.0 5.45 2996 100.0 56875 14102 1.390 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 217 97.2 84.0 5.44 2995 100.0 56875 14485 1.417 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 8700 102.9 94.2 6.10 2984 99.1 56875 15064 1.390 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 20N29 102.9 97.1 6.29 2979 97.6 56875 15578 1.409 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon 50BMG 100.8 89.8 5.82 2979 92.3 56875 15779 1.384 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41 95.7 89.5 5.80 2978 95.5 56875 15363 1.376 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 98.8 91.7 5.94 2977 93.6 56875 16191 1.431 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 87.2 81.6 5.29 2977 100.0 56875 14201 1.393 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30 91.2 80.0 5.19 2976 100.0 56875 14373 1.405 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 91.2 80.0 5.19 2976 100.0 56875 14373 1.405 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 87.0 81.5 5.28 2975 100.0 56875 14165 1.393 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 88.4 75.3 4.88 2973 100.0 56875 14019 1.376 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon US 869 100.5 94.0 6.09 2967 95.6 56875 15414 1.393 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 88.4 80.6 5.22 2967 100.0 56875 13790 1.373 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 93.0 80.7 5.23 2965 100.0 56875 13756 1.373 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2217 93.0 80.7 5.23 2965 100.0 56875 13756 1.373 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 104.0 93.3 6.04 2963 98.1 56875 15100 1.403 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 13 102.2 91.7 5.94 2959 98.8 56875 14906 1.405 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 88.4 79.1 5.12 2951 99.8 56875 14069 1.368 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 87.0 75.5 4.89 2951 100.0 56875 13769 1.391 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15 87.0 75.5 4.89 2951 100.0 56875 13769 1.391 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 89.0 77.7 5.04 2948 100.0 56875 13313 1.394 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 86.2 75.1 4.87 2938 100.0 56875 13692 1.386 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N170 96.0 83.3 5.40 2921 98.4 56875 14200 1.400 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 87.6 74.7 4.84 2917 100.0 56875 13319 1.374 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D100 93.8 88.6 5.74 2911 96.1 56875 14220 1.389 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 86.3 74.1 4.80 2883 100.0 56875 12340 1.408 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 88.0 74.0 4.80 2876 100.0 56875 12568 1.375 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 87.5 75.9 4.92 2872 100.0 56875 12345 1.392 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071 90.1 74.7 4.84 2854 100.0 56875 12151 1.424 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 85.2 74.7 4.84 2854 100.0 56875 12151 1.424 ! Near Maximum !
NC A3502 ,test only 105.0 90.1 5.84 2821 84.0 47904 15241 1.463
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 105.0 90.1 5.84 2771 83.6 46595 14334 1.500
Vihtavuori N32C Tin Star 90.1 39.4 2.56 2140 100.0 56875 5322 1.415 ! Near Maximum !

 

[maninthemaze]

Thank you very much. That's exactly want I was looking for. In your opinion, how temperature stable is R33? I've read some people say that temperature doesn't bother it and some say it's horribly sensitive. I know my R26 is good. Living in KY my load development is done between 80 and 100 degrees outside. But the rifle is for hunting out west, hopefully elk hunting Montana in 2017.

 

[nvreloader]

Man

Thanks for that info,
I'll work up some QL SWAG's for you,
using the info you provided, with RL-26 and 195 gr bullet etc.

Tia,
Don

 

[Blacktail63]

Thank you very much. That's exactly want I was looking for. In your opinion, how temperature stable is R33? I've read some people say that temperature doesn't bother it and some say it's horribly sensitive. I know my R26 is good. Living in KY my load development is done between 80 and 100 degrees outside. But the rifle is for hunting out west, hopefully elk hunting Montana in 2017.

My come ups haven't changed with variable temps between 45-90 degrees. Always a good idea to develop loads in warm weather and test in cooler weather. Pack some of your loads in the freezer and then test them for velocity/SDs. That'll tell you what you need. You may want to pay attention to the altitude differential between where you work up loads and hunt.

 

[Blacktail63]

My come ups haven't changed with variable temps between 45-90 degrees out to a 1000yds. Always a good idea to develop loads in warm weather and test in cooler weather. Pack some of your loads in the freezer and then test them for velocity/SDs. They'll tell you what you need. You may want to pay attention to the altitude differential between where you work up loads and hunt.

Good luck

 

[nvreloader]

Man
Here is the minimum starting load for RL-26/195gr bullet,
QL suggests a minimum of 75% LR,
At 56,875 MAP psi, for this case,
Using the spec's supplied by you, @ 101.6 gr of H20 max case capacity.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Cartridge : .28 Nosler
Bullet : .284, 195, Berger VLD OEL G7 #28550
Useable Case Capaci: 94.251 grain H2O = 6.120 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.740 inch = 95.00 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-26

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 68 63.90 2496 2698 37526 12185 100.0 1.787
-09.0 69 64.61 2520 2750 38627 12271 100.0 1.762
-08.0 70 65.32 2544 2802 39756 12356 100.0 1.737
-07.0 71 66.03 2568 2855 40912 12441 100.0 1.714
-06.0 71 66.74 2591 2908 42097 12525 100.0 1.690
-05.0 72 67.45 2615 2960 43312 12609 100.0 1.667
-04.0 73 68.16 2638 3014 44556 12692 100.0 1.644
-03.0 74 68.87 2661 3067 45831 12774 100.0 1.622
-02.0 74 69.58 2684 3120 47138 12856 100.0 1.600
-01.0 75 70.29 2707 3174 48476 12938 100.0 1.579
+00.0 76 71.00 2730 3227 49848 13018 100.0 1.558 = suggested starting load
+01.0 77 71.71 2753 3281 51253 13098 100.0 1.538
+02.0 78 72.42 2776 3336 52692 13178 100.0 1.517
+03.0 78 73.13 2798 3390 54167 13256 100.0 1.497
+04.0 79 73.84 2821 3444 55678 13334 100.0 1.478 ! Near Maximum !
+05.0 80 74.55 2843 3499 57226 13412 100.0 1.459 ! Near Maximum !

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 76 71.00 2825 3454 59772 12648 100.0 1.436 ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 76 71.00 2587 2898 39796 13548 100.0 1.724
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here is the maximum load data, for the same spec's,
using the spec's supplied by you,
101.6 gr of H20 max case capacity,
usable case capacity of 94.2 grs H2o
Cartridge : .28 Nosler
Bullet : .284, 195, Berger VLD OEL G7 #28550
Useable Case Capaci: 94.251 grain H2O = 6.120 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.740 inch = 95.00 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-26

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 72 66.96 2599 2924 42471 12551 100.0 1.683
-09.0 72 67.70 2623 2979 43754 12639 100.0 1.659
-08.0 73 68.45 2648 3035 45070 12726 100.0 1.635
-07.0 74 69.19 2672 3091 46420 12812 100.0 1.612
-06.0 75 69.94 2696 3147 47805 12897 100.0 1.590
-05.0 76 70.68 2720 3203 49225 12982 100.0 1.567
-04.0 76 71.42 2744 3260 50683 13066 100.0 1.546
-03.0 77 72.17 2768 3316 52177 13149 100.0 1.525
-02.0 78 72.91 2791 3373 53710 13232 100.0 1.504
-01.0 79 73.66 2815 3430 55283 13314 100.0 1.483 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 80 74.40 2838 3488 56896 13396 100.0 1.463 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 80 75.14 2861 3545 58550 13476 100.0 1.444 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 81 75.89 2885 3603 60248 13556 100.0 1.424 ! Near Maximum !
+03.0 82 76.63 2908 3661 61989 13635 100.0 1.406 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 83 77.38 2931 3719 63775 13714 100.0 1.387 ! Near Maximum !
+05.0 84 78.12 2954 3778 65608 13791 100.0 1.369 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 80 74.40 2927 3709 67968 13033 100.0 1.353 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 80 74.40 2705 3168 45586 13920 100.0 1.615
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
YMMV,
Use at your own risk, as very load/rifle combo is different, etc,
as we all should know.

I would be greatley interested in the full case capacity of H2o in rpierce (fired brass),
would make a better model in QL.

Tia,
Don

 

[maninthemaze]

Thanks for running those numbers. I have been contemplating just letting Ryan Pierce chamber my rifle. He has a reamer built specifically for the 195 Berger. I had originally been talking to another smith about it. He seemed very knowledgeable, but I don't think he has the expertise with the 28 that Pierce does.

Anyways, thanks again.

 

[bigngreen]

Reloader 33 is reasonably temp stable till you get cold then I've seen very high pressure spikes and it runs dirty, I ran t this year in my Nosler but have changed where I pack my loaded rounds to try to maintain a more even temp, it does shoot amazing. I will likely switch to Retumbo because it's proven temp stable and I know nothing goes weird with in the temps we hunt and I can run at the same accuracy node as R33 just a little more pressure.