Potential New Record :)

Discussion in 'Extreme Long Range Hunting & Shooting (ELR)' started by THEIS, Oct 13, 2017.

  1. THEIS

    THEIS Well-Known Member

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  2. 7mmShooter

    7mmShooter Well-Known Member

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    Guiness world record as of right now is 4752 yards by Adam Kodra with a 416 Barrett, and I heard one of the guys at Charlie Mike Precision just hit 5,000 yards with a .408 Tejas Fwiw. Definitely good shooting by all
     
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    THEIS Well-Known Member

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    Hello,
    Please link the Guiness specifications and documents.
    ALL the "world records" over the past 15 years in ELR world have purely been arbitrary distances since no criteria has been lined out in order to state what the record consisted of and what needs to be done to break it.

    THEIS
     
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  4. HARPERC

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    I fear once it is it will get as cluttered as fishing with a record for every species, on every pound test line.
     
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    THEIS Well-Known Member

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    LOLOLOL absolutely!!!
    Something like these "changes/differences" not only can, BUT WILL make for "Different" New World Records. All depends on how you want to write the criteria for Guinness to validate. That can get as detailed and "cluttered" as patents can lol.

    Suppressed
    Unsuppressed
    Optic with magnification over 20x
    Optic with magnification under 20x
    Rifle with weight over 20lbs
    Rifle with weight under 20lbs
    Rifle with threaded on muzzle brake
    Rifle with clamped on muzzle brake
    Projectile over 350gr weight
    Projectile under 350gr weight
    Projectile over 3in long
    Projectile under 3in long
    Case capacity over 175gr
    Case capacity under 175gr
    Case length over 4in long
    Case length under 4in long
    Rifle with 2 stage trigger
    Rifle with single stage trigger
    Rifle with double set trigger
    Rifle with magazine
    Rifle without magazine
    Magazine with 5rd capacity or over
    Magazine with 5rd capacity or under
    Rifle with folding stock
    Rifle with right side folding stock
    Rifle with left side folding stock
    Rifle with fiberglass stock
    Rifle with aluminum chassis
    Rifle with carbon fiber stock
    Rifle with ejector
    Rifle without ejector
    Rifle with fixed bipod
    Rifle with folding bipod
    ASL of 3000+
    ASL of 3000-
    Wind speed of 10mph+
    Wind speed of 10mph-
    Target angle of 30deg+
    Target angle of 30deg-
    YADA YADA YADA

    The old saying of "records are meant to be broken" has been updated to "records are meant to be rewritten to accommodate a new record".
    Nobody cares what "shooting association" tries to dictate what "records" should be because there is not a "shooting association" out that doesn't have their own agenda. So we will continue to see people state "this record" and "that record", yada yada yada.

    THEIS
     
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  6. BallisticsGuy

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    As well, all these new ultra-long range records seem to be about lobbing rounds downrange and counting the first one to accidentally impact an arbitrarily sized "target". Sorry, just doesn't get my junk to plump.
     
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  7. 7mmShooter

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    I tend to agree, hit in a limited number of rounds or multiple hits are much more impressive. Otherwise it seems to end up a lead slinging contest to see who can lob them the farthest
     
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  8. LastShot300

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    In some way, KO2M "proved" that consistency of the ratio of rounds/hits is about 2500 yards give or take...after that, the current technology is of no use. It's just a coin toss. Even 2500 is debatable.
     
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    There are physics problems to be solved here. Artillery can go pretty far but I don't know the accuracy window.

    I'm an MOA guy so 1000 yards, hit a 10" target consistently, 1400 yards hit a 14" target consistently. 2500 yards, hit a 25" target consistently. 5000 yards, hit a 50" target consistently. 1 out of 37 is not consistently in my book. Must be repeatable. First shot would be nice.
     
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    Basically an "exercise in futility"...especially when the KO2M isn't even 2 miles...

    These "ultra long range records" are cool and what not and does take "some" skill to set the rifle up, but as far as hitting the target, any yahoo pulling the trigger can eventually get some luck and make a hit...even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes...

    I mean, 37 rounds to hit a target becomes a "record"...stupid.
     
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  11. osoh

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    Every so often when someone pushes the limits and connects on a target be it 10 rounds or 50 there is a new record set. Most of the time it could be for personal accomplishments that goes out of control with chatter in the mist of the shooting community and our media. Supposedly Charlie Mike hitting 5000 was for a personal goal - I would say it also draws shooters to his rifle builds and training as a perk to draw income, good advertising in a way. As far a the 5000 yard hit I read the story that was written and here as seen in other achievement write ups the author or editor can really destroy a good feat by the way they over exaggerate certain stages in the skill set or don't have a clue as to what their saying that stands out in the more experienced crowd. I not making excuses or standing up for Charlie - don't know him.

    I do appreciate pushing the limits to what folks say can't be done, this has only pushed the industry to make it capable of what we can achieve in distance today with a given amount of accuracy and consistency.

    As far as the event the KO2M
    Here again they get a bad rap for the name not not matching the farthest target. They have 3 years under their belt now. This event has pushed our industry in the long range shooting community hard. It also has encouraged other events to start up and the start of some type of consistency in the rules is developing. I hope there is a day when the last target is a true two miles to calm all those who have an issue with the name, they work hard in Raton, NM to put on a event for folks to come and shoot. Here again I have seen articles or write ups that make no sense, the author itemized every piece and blew things way out of portion of what was needed to shoot ELR.

    The most important aspect of comparing how the shooters at the KO2M averaged in consistency and accuracy versus the 5000 yard Charlie Mike, the individual in the Texas that has walked his way out, Adam and others.

    Is that most of these personal record shooters shot in conditions that were to their best adavantage. Hell even when I'm shooting for RnD I always hope for a calm overcast day or try to find the right time of the day to get the best hits and results if possible.

    At the KO2M for example - because so many think they could out shoot the majority that were there, The KO2M shooters had to get to the line with 2 minutes to get their equipment ready, then take whatever wind conditions they were handed out at that moment in the valley and mountain side, locate and fire at 5 targets with in a 9 minute time limit. Other then having a accurate rifle and load, the communications with the spotter trying to see any bullet splash or trace through a spotting scope under pressure and giving good feedback and corrections while under pressure as time was ticking away was a very important part of success in the game. Wind calls/corrections, locating the targets asap both shooter and spotter, adjusting and hoping to see impacts on or off the target then being calm about giving correct adjustments was the most important tool in the game between shooter/spotter team work.

    This is a whole different game then being kicked back with your buds waiting for the wind to calm down some while shooting in your comfort zone.

    Cheers
    Osoh
     
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  12. jfseaman

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    Gives me thought for our LR/ELR matches.

    We can only go to 1400 yards but the targets are all over and all sizes.

    Moving from target to target with a time limit.

    We are working on 1 mile. Same target location different shooter location.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/149824382271353/
     
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    Kinda like the milk jug challenge, you only get so many shots to qualify.
    Or shooting an egg at 1230 yards.
    http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com...ambles-egg-at-1230-yards-in-the-emerald-isle/
    So 5000 yards, all you need to do is hit 1 in less than 37 tries or hit multiple times within 37 tries. Still it was a hit and until someone else does it in less shots or further distance, it is still the only confirmed hit at 5000 yards. Anyone that thinks they can do better should just do it.
     
  14. RandyinVa

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    Good writeup and very timely. I, for one, am hoping I get to shoot with the KOTM guys when I grow up.