Ben Keller
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Gunwerks G7 will solve all your problems! Even gives you a wind calculation for set wind amounts based on your range as well.
OK I'm going to learn how to use MOA instead of a custom dial. Scenario Questions
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Here's the problem with your scenario: distance creates time & opportunity. If you spotted a moving target at 650 and have 30 seconds to setup, dope the wind, and make the shot, the correct answer is to pass.
To your actual question, I use a kestrel 5700 elite that's confirmed to 1,400 yards, Leica 2200 HD-Bs that are calibrated to 1,000 yards, and I carry hard copy dope cards.
To your actual question, I use a kestrel 5700 elite that's confirmed to 1,400 yards, Leica 2200 HD-Bs that are calibrated to 1,000 yards, and I carry hard copy dope cards.
SHDeersniper
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Not sure if serious.
PApa Black
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You can either get a HI $$$$$ range finder that has ballistic solutions or use a Whiz Wheel ( which is what I use). With a little practice the Whiz Wheel is fast.
PApa Black
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That's why I use a Whiz Wheel: no batteries and it's water proof.
Uncle yib
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Practice practice practice
NDAR15MAN
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If it was me I would use the Burris Eliminator III scope. Range finder built in , dot moves for the shot. You are good to 750 yards on a elk, they are big enough for a good reading 99% of the time for me any way.
Spend the money on this scope instead of buying the $1000.00 plus MOA scope. Use your moa scope for target , PD , etc hunting were you have more than 30 seconds to make the shot. Does not make sense to me to spend all that money on a elk hunt , all that vacation time and all that walking and rush the shot and or miss the shot. Pull up the Burris Eliminator III and in 10 seconds and I bet less , bang , animal is on the sod. MD
Spend the money on this scope instead of buying the $1000.00 plus MOA scope. Use your moa scope for target , PD , etc hunting were you have more than 30 seconds to make the shot. Does not make sense to me to spend all that money on a elk hunt , all that vacation time and all that walking and rush the shot and or miss the shot. Pull up the Burris Eliminator III and in 10 seconds and I bet less , bang , animal is on the sod. MD
I don't have a Gunwerks G7 but it appears that it works much the same way as the Leica 2800.com and Kestrel. You have station conditions with range. The kestrel calculates the firing solution using AB ballistics with the range the Leica gives it and displays it in the viewfinder of the Leica. You can have several rifle profiles stored in the Kestrel and even custom bullet drag profiles.
The kestrel can also give you station wind speed and direction along with azimuth.
The Leica will give you a firing solution up to about 700-800 yds without the Kestrel however it is not near as accurate because it don't have enough data. At 650 yds on a elk it would be adequate.
There are lots of ways to skin this cat. They will all work if executed well. I will have more experience by next year to expose any weaknesses in the system. So far the bluetooth is the weak link.
The kestrel can also give you station wind speed and direction along with azimuth.
The Leica will give you a firing solution up to about 700-800 yds without the Kestrel however it is not near as accurate because it don't have enough data. At 650 yds on a elk it would be adequate.
There are lots of ways to skin this cat. They will all work if executed well. I will have more experience by next year to expose any weaknesses in the system. So far the bluetooth is the weak link.
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Here's the deal: I use a Sig Saur Kilo 2400 rangefinder. It pairs to your Smartphone app and there are tools in the app you can use to refine your solution, but, and that's a big big but in my opinion, the wind! To make this shot, you need a spotter or spend some time in a spotting scope and look at the wind 1/3 the way, 1/2 the way, 3/4 the way, etc until you can identify a precise wind hold, but, the key is a spotter. The wind changes and changes a lot, and real time changes from a very experienced spotter can make or break you! The Rangefinder gives you the MOA drop and the wind at your position so cold does not make your I phone worthless. The wind is not your friend, and you need to practice in wind to prove to yourself that you have no "ethical" means to assure a lethal shot at 650 yards! That's what I learned playing with the wind in rugged hunting terrain! Ethical Solution: get closer! I may get shot down from some highly experienced professionals out there, that's ok, and am all ears to learn, but as a recreational hunter, not competitive marksman or military sniper with a designated spotter on board, my solution is to get closer rather than risk a miss or wound an animal that I cannot ever retrieve!
What is the angle of your intended target up or down from you ? I'm with Retiredsniper and Uncle yib get a good second focal plane scope with a mil retical, study on using it to range and hold for wind quartering , full force . It takes time in the field with the equipment you plan to use to get proficient with it . Once you have gotten proficient with this then you will have saved your money for all the other things that are nice to have .
Sgt. grizz
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I would either put a drop down ballistic sheet on you scope cover, stock or buy one that mounts to your scope then just range it and refer to your chart. You can make new charts right before you go hunting and you will be dialed. One thing I was thinking about doing as well instead of a custom Turret is buy www.Customturretsystems.com they are cheap and you can have several made up for your hunting area with different values then stick on whatever one works for your condition.
SHDeersniper
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Why second focal plane?
Echo Charlie
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Among other things I guide more than 30 European red deer hunts per season. Never had the need to shot one at that distance. Rarely at 300 yards. Even at this distance 30 seconds is short to see the animal, evaluate if its a shootable, measure the distance, get support for the rifle, take position and break the shot.
Not to mention loading, because we carry the rifle with a bullet in the chamber, nor checking environmental data and set the scope.
Hunting up to 200 - 300 yards its easy using a MPBR.
For larger distances and as a few already mentioned here for quick shots the best solution is a drop chart to use with a FFP reticle similar to the one on the photo
Not to mention loading, because we carry the rifle with a bullet in the chamber, nor checking environmental data and set the scope.
Hunting up to 200 - 300 yards its easy using a MPBR.
For larger distances and as a few already mentioned here for quick shots the best solution is a drop chart to use with a FFP reticle similar to the one on the photo
