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You can easily shoot steel out to 1000+ yards with 6.5C.
1200 yards is the comfortable distance. I have shot my .308 out to 1K as well. Both rounds are great for pinging steel well past 300 yards! Lol
You can easily shoot steel out to 1000+ yards with 6.5C.
Well, "It's fun to hear the close-minded folks bash the 6.5 CM.", I'm not sure where I would like to go with this. I AM not a fan of the 6.5CM, and I will certainly make my thoughts on it well known. But.....because of that does it qualify me as a "close-minded folk??" How we got here from a Savage 99 to a .308 Winchester vs a 30-06 and a 6.5 Creedmore baffles me; especially when someone adds in a statement about Creedmore bashers being close minded. Just because a person is opinionated doesn't mean they are closed minded. I believe as you have stated that the right rifle for the right game PERIOD. If one believes that there is one cartridge that will kill everything at all ranges and strike the hammer of Thor, I believe "that" person is extremely close minded.
I am sick of the biases that people project about the Creedmore, not the cartridge or its capabilities. And....I am tired of people poking fun or ridiculing a person for believing that the "ole school" cartridges are worthless compared to the new stuff that is being put out, lauded, advertised, marketed and jammed down our throats. And....if a person does not agree with the marketing BS, then that person is ridiculed and put down. I am not sure if you remember the .280 Ackley Improved, when it first came out. The 280 AI was the 6.5 Creedmore of 2007. The 7mm bullets were the greatest, fastest, deadliest, and most accurate cartridge on the market!! What happened to that cartridge, the articles and all the hype are no longer around or recognized; all the marketing BS on the .280AI is now diluted and the focus is on the Creedmore.
You might have already covered it, but what do think of the 06 vs. 7mm Rem mag?
Got out the popcorn, did you?
I think that personal preference sometimes argues its own point to play down an advantage. Yes "only" 21 percent capacity. that is a little shy of 1/4 bigger. That is considerable Yes it is "old school" but old school is sometimes as good in some respects. Add that to brass availability and the fact that it will shoot a 150 grn bullet @3000 ft per sec. That is impressive. Yes, each step up is "only" 100-175 increase but I like increases such as that.Here we go again.
21% more powder doesn't automatically equal 21% greater performance...Anyone who's ever played around with cartridges or wildcats can tell you that. Cartridge design, burn rates, should angle, wall taper, burn column, all of these factor into performance. The .30-06 still does a great job at what it does, but it's just old school, and the design is old school. The whole entire reason we have the .308 Win (7.62x51 NATO) is because the military wanted a .30 caliber cartridge that would produce .30-06 Sprg. performance in a smaller, lighter, more compact package...And the .308 Win did just that. That's why it exists. "New" designed cartridges (like the Ackleys) are just a much better case design. Scientific facts. Does the old still work? Absolutely. But it's not up to par with the "new" designs when it comes down to burn characteristics and performance. If the old school case designs were so extraordinary, why does nobody still use them when they design their new cartridges...?
As for the 6.5CM, I'm pretty sure we all know where I stand on that one, and that I would not put it above the .308 or .30-06...Ever.
Also, I could see this thread getting really fun, really quickly. Can't wait for the festivities!!!
Got out the popcorn, did you?
I use 70 grains of IMR 4350 behind a 180 grain Sierra Pro hunter or Gameking and group sizes are under 0.8 inches at 100 yards in my Remington ADL 300 winmag which I won at a NRA dinner in Lubbock, Texas in July of 1998.The 30-06 is a HAMMER with 180 pills. I won a 300WM MOD70 classic at a RMEF dinner and shot it some at the range looking for ammo that would group well. After about 150 rounds and reviewing load data from Speer manual early 90's I decided that the 300 was unpleasant to shoot during practice/sighting in/load development and I could get hand loaded 06 180's within 100/150 fps of factory MAG ammo. Ended up with 30-06 WIN MOD70 Classic SS that launched 180's at 2825fbs using book loads and getting 1-1.25 inch groups. Does 150/200fps matter? When trying to nail down Elk heck yeah every bit matters. Also 06 launches 165's faster than 308. Don't see that long action over short action matters that much, matters a heck of a lot less than 200fps difference. I hunted with 708 MODSeven REM for a few years and liked it fine, nice compact handy good to cary set up but now I hunt with 270WIN its just hard to not love 140grs @3000fps (708 won't do that). So like the 708 the 308 is great especially set in a nice compact MOD Seven REM. For me an 8lbs 30-06 or 270 delivering pills 200 fps faster for manageable recoil is "better" in my book.
You look a little funny in that gif, though. Really big ears.Always!
Same velocity, same bullet, no advantage. But why would you shoot a 30-06 180 grain bullet so slow? I'd at least push it to 2700fps. In my O3-A3, it would be going around 2770fps.So let me muddy the water a bit more...let's say I have .308 shooting a 180gr bullet at 2600 fps and have a 06 shooting the same bullet at the same speed. Which would have the advantage over the other? And more importantly.....why?
The 270 is based on the 03-03 case. So is the 280. Its shoulder is slightly longer than the 30-06, and has a shorter neck. The 25-06 is based on the 30-06 without any modification except necking down to .257 caliber. I use .270 once fired casings to make 25-06 brass, and it requires a lot of trimming to get the case neck the right length. But they work very well, and I get them for free. My Ruger No 1 Varmint loves them.So your saying they 270 is a diffrent case, verse 30 06, or 25 06 ?