New barrel idea's

[freebird63]

I have a 300 RUM Remington 700. It probably won't happen for a while, but have been thinking about what brand of barrel I would like to get when it comes time to re-barrel.
Am thinking I would like to go with a 28" finished length. Have also been thinking about the sendero contour.
For the 300RUM what have others used and had great success with?

 

[MudRunner2005]

Bartlein 28" Sendero, fluted, 1:9 twist, chambered in .30 Nosler or .300 Ackley. Either will get you better barrel life than the .300 RUM.

 

[Capt RB]

If you stick with the rum a 3 groove Lija should last a little longer. Look at the preferred barrels for the fire breathing overbores. Most are built on the 3 groove

 

[lazylabs]

Capt... I respectfully disagree. I have had several lilja barrels and they all run tight on the bore measurement than most others. I don't have a hardness tester but I think they are softer than the cut rifled barrels. It might be an interesting poll but I think you will find many more 4 and 6 groove cut rifled barrels used for 300s than 3 groove.

 

[FEENIX]

If you stick with the rum a 3 groove Lija should last a little longer. Look at the preferred barrels for the fire breathing overbores. Most are built on the 3 groove

I totally agree, Kirby Allen as well as my gunsmith loves them and highly recommends them.

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I'm on my second Lilja now (30" SS 1:8" 3G #6 on my .270 AI and 27 SS 27 1:9" sendero varmint on my .30 Lara) and extremely pleased with them.

 

[freebird63]

What's the difference ?. I don't know much about the barrel basics

 

[FEENIX]

Capt... I respectfully disagree. I have had several lilja barrels and they all run tight on the bore measurement than most others. I don't have a hardness tester but I think they are softer than the cut rifled barrels. It might be an interesting poll but I think you will find many more 4 and 6 groove cut rifled barrels used for 300s than 3 groove.

Dan Lilja says it best ... >>> http://riflebarrels.com/support/faq/#3groove

This is one of those things that might boil down to personal choice and application(s).

 

[FEENIX]

I have a 300 RUM Remington 700. It probably won't happen for a while, but have been thinking about what brand of barrel I would like to get when it comes time to re-barrel.
Am thinking I would like to go with a 28" finished length. Have also been thinking about the sendero contour.
For the 300RUM what have others used and had great success with?

What's the difference ?. I don't know much about the barrel basics

IIWY, I'd keep things simple and work very closely with a reputable and competent gunsmith who is going to build your rifle ... unless it's a DIY (???).

 

[lazylabs]

Feenix.... of course Lilja will say his barrels are the best, if he didn't I wouldn't of ever tried one. I do agree its probably preference in the end. I just don't think that "most" 300s are made on 3 groove barrels. I bet Krieger sells more (cut, non 3 groove) 308 barrels a year than Lilja does in 5.

 

[FEENIX]

Feenix.... of course Lilja will say his barrels are the best, if he didn't I wouldn't of ever tried one. I do agree its probably preference in the end. I just don't think that "most" 300s are made on 3 groove barrels. I bet Krieger sells more (cut, non 3 groove) 308 barrels a year than Lilja does in 5.

I don't think he ever said that his barrels are the best or the 3-groove is for everybody.

Q. What are the differences between 3 Groove and 6 Groove Barrels?

A. Almost all of the caliber and twist combinations in the rifle barrels we make are available with 6 lands and grooves. A few years ago we started to make barrels in a 3 groove configuration too at the request of some varmint hunters who were looking for longer barrel life. They were chambering barrels for hot 22 caliber varmint rounds and shooting the throats out of conventional 6 groove barrels fairly fast. We reasoned that if we reduced the number of grooves to 3 but kept the ratio of land to groove width the same (ie. the lands are twice as wide in a 3 groove barrel as compared to a 6 groove) that there would be more land area to resist heat erosion.
Well, it turned out that barrel life did increase and that accuracy stayed at least the equal of comparable 6 groove barrels. It is hard to put a percentage increase on barrel life but a conservative estimate might be 20%.
Benchrest shooters are always experimenting and looking for a competitive edge. Before long a few shooters, including Dan Lilja, were putting 3 groove barrels in 6PPC and 22 Waldog on their light varmint and heavy varmint class benchrest rifles. And these barrels proved to be very accurate. They started winning benchrest matches and soon became popular among the benchrest shooters.

And we found that as a side benefit the 3 groove barrels seemed to foul very little and clean up quickly. We attributed this to the reduced number of corners inside collecting powder and copper fouling.
This answer to 3 groove – 6 groove question is not meant to discredit the 6 groove barrels. They have consistently shoot extremely well over the years. Dan continues to shoot both 6 and 3 groove barrels on his benchrest rifles. But if you haven't tried a 3 groove you might consider one the next time you need a barrel. We do not offer them in all of our caliber and twist combinations. Our page with caliber and twist listings indicates if a 3 groove barrel is available. And we are frequently adding 3 groove buttons to our offerings. If you don't see that a 3 groove version is offered in the caliber and twist you're looking for, ask, we might soon be making it.

You just proved the point about personal preferences, the key is we have plenty choices to choose from regardless of brand or number of sales ... period. In the past, 1:10" is also the norm for the .300 Magnum builds but because of technological advancement in barrel and offerings as well as bullet availability (i.e., Hammer Bullets are building bullets requiring faster twists), end-users are pushing/venturing out of the norms ... and that's what it is all about. I personally embrace those choices readily available for me.

Obviously, Capt RB and I have a different personal preferences from yours and others, like Mud ... which is great, we can't be all the same.

 

[Deleted member 46119]

Feenix.... of course Lilja will say his barrels are the best, if he didn't I wouldn't of ever tried one. I do agree its probably preference in the end. I just don't think that "most" 300s are made on 3 groove barrels. I bet Krieger sells more (cut, non 3 groove) 308 barrels a year than Lilja does in 5.

I have 4 Pac-Nor 3 groove. Only 2 are installed so far.

The are both regularly shot at 700+ yards. The 300WSM shoots 208 A-Max sub MOA all day. The 260Rem shoots 140 A-Max sub 1/2 MOA all day.

Like every little nuance of choice in assembling a firearm, lands and grooves number and shape has an effect. What effect, well, that can be influenced by the shooter/reloader.

I actually use them. I like them. One dilemma, wait times. 3 groove are almost never "in-stock" I waited 7 months. Worth the wait, for me, yup.

Warning, vociferous opinion and comments follow. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

"Lazylabs" makes insinuation disparagement remarks about Dan Lilja. Dan can have any barrel he wants but chooses a 3 groove, slow twist for BENCHREST shooting. Dan makes his reputation by shooting and WINNING. "Lazylabs" also makes the insinuation that outselling means "better". It only means they outsell. Nothing more.

 

[freebird63]

My barrel is not close to have to be replaced, but I figure if I come up with a plan now and get one, then when the time comes I can find a good smith to replace it.

 

[FEENIX]

I have 4 Pac-Nor 3 groove. Only 2 are installed so far.

The are both regularly shot at 700+ yards. The 300WSM shoots 208 A-Max sub MOA all day. The 260Rem shoots 140 A-Max sub 1/2 MOA all day.

Like every little nuance of choice in assembling a firearm, lands and grooves number and shape has an effect. What effect, well, that can be influenced by the shooter/reloader.

I actually use them. I like them. One dilemma, wait times. 3 groove are almost never "in-stock" I waited 7 months. Worth the wait, for me, yup.

Warning, vociferous opinion and comments follow. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

"Lazylabs" makes insinuation disparagement remarks about Dan Lilja. Dan can have any barrel he wants but chooses a 3 groove, slow twist for BENCHREST shooting. Dan makes his reputation by shooting and WINNING. "Lazylabs" also makes the insinuation that outselling means "better". It only means they outsell. Nothing more.

Well said Sir! I was given 12-14 weeks delivery for both mine and got them both at 12 weeks.

I seriously considered the Pac-Nor 3G on my .270 AI but went local with Lilja instead. I might go the Pac-Nor route on my next re-barreling project. Lots of excellent barrels to choose from.

Cheers!

 

[Deleted member 46119]

Well said Sir! I was given 12-14 weeks delivery for both mine and got them both at 12 weeks.

I seriously considered the Pac-Nor 3G on my .270 AI but went local with Lilja instead. I might go the Pac-Nor route on my next re-barreling project. Lots of excellent barrels to choose from.

Cheers!

All things being equal (difficult to discern performance differences), I would always opt for local. If you are proximal to Lilja, go Lilja unless there is a reason not to. There are no premium/custom barrel makers in California that I know of so no local.

Odd, I no longer have any of my Lilja barrels or barreled actions. Pac-Nor, Hart, Bartlien, Krieger, Benchmark and Proof.

By far my largest barrel supplier is Pac-Nor. 6 total barrels installed or not, 4 of them 3 groove.