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That post right there, and countless others like it, is what caused me to no longer care if you succeed or fail. Me feeling that way doesn't make me a "get hammer" person. It makes me a "DO BETTER" person. I'm telling you, to do better.
Well said, Greg.One of the best ways to tell if people are lying, is if they won't concede on ANY point... regardless of how much evidence has been provided to prove they are wrong.
You keep saying how it's the same old "get hammer" people. It isn't. I was an ally, or at the very least an uninterested 3rd party. I wanted to see what you're doing succeed. You must have a short memory, because not very long ago I expended more time and effort and resources trying to get your 22cal bullets to shoot small than I have on any other bullets in the history of my career. They failed to meet my standards, but knowing there are plenty of people that are just fine with 5/8-3/4 MOA, I just let it be. Then too, based on user reports, the larger calibers such as the .338 guys seemed to get better results. So rather than put out a video showing just how poorly the 3-4 different types of .22cal hammers did compared to literally every other cup/core bullet I have here, I just moved on and told myself I'd try some of your bigger bullets some day. My conscience is clean and I can prove I was really wanting to be an ally. Secondly, I'm not a part of any group. Nearly everyone here can attest that I go my own way, no matter what.
That post right there, and countless others like it, is what caused me to no longer care if you succeed or fail. Me feeling that way doesn't make me a "get hammer" person. It makes me a "DO BETTER" person. I'm telling you, to do better.
Your repeated demonstrated inability to objectively weigh things properly in the spirit of truth, and then bully the people speaking out on it. THAT is why I'm taking exception to your behavior.
So, I make an argument, and instead of discussing the argument itself... you try to form an attack that consists of how I must use "high fences" to hunt pronghorn. I tell you I don't... and that here, I simply can't, unless it's a true high fence... (which we don't have, even most of the buffalo fence allows deer/pronghorn through) So you don't accept the fact that I don't utilize the scummy high fence tactics that you and others clearly employ... and try to claim that it's impossible that I don't. You say pronghorn DON'T jump fences. Then I show you a couple random videos of pronghorn, and one video of my own, showing unequivocal proof that not only do they jump fences, they jump fences when it's obvious they don't have to. I further state that not only do they do it, but that it is 100% normal and a part of their daily life that they don't even think about, and I've witnessed it being like that for quite a while now. I took that video off my porch. I live with these animals year round. You got a lot of pronghorn at your house in the burbs in the mountains there fella?
Instead of acknowledging that you are simply out of your depth, and your attempted argument against my ability to hold the standard I set has failed... you sarcastically spit out your self immolating placation and talk about what isn't in the nature of a pronghorn, when you clearly have no idea what is and isn't their nature in the modern world.
Further responding that they "sometimes" jump fences, when I've already stated that it's so commonplace that no one in northwestern south dakota would even consider it newsworthy. They do it literally everywhere around here every single day. Through or over, the fences mean nothing to them. They go where they want to go, just like a deer. Then, being one to not leave anything alone ever, you try to claim that because I and others won't bend to your ridiculous assertions, that we're destroying all of hunting. Not being satisfied with that, you also start attacking purity itself. What kind of narcissist wants to sit and argue on behalf of the lesser things and vilify the better things? Someone that wants to make himself feel better about making poor choices, and compromising on things that shouldn't be compromised on... that's who.
Shooting Aoudad in a herd, and taking out a kid in the process, then LYING about it on camera and saying you waited for them to clear. Loading ammo so hot you can't open your bolt, in a clear attempt to push velocity to levels it shouldn't be. Continually attacking everyone here personally, instead of attacking their argument. Joining up with anti-lead anti-hunting groups to participate in any capacity with anti's promotion of faulty studies directed SOULY at attacking hunters. Advocating that high fence hunting isn't indeed lesser than open wild hunting. Ignoring all evidence that you're flat wrong on a subject, clearly indicating that if you'll do that once, you'll do it always when it suits you. You think hunters are all on the same team? Well we're not. I will rightly condemn some idiot chasing a deer down across a field with a pickup, poking a rifle out the window and shooting it. I'll condemn that as well as countless other idiotic practices that the people engaged in those types of things will try to justify.
If there's a downfall of this hunting heritage we all participate in, it's those of low character doing low character activities that will be the cause. NOT those looking to advance the purity of the discipline. I certainly don't think high fence hunting qualifies as low character, but it certainly isn't on the same level as true wild fair chase. That's not a fact open for debate.
Now it's important to mention I'm far from being faultless. When I was younger, I too engaged in methods of hunting that were of low character. Commonplace and widely accepted, but still of low character. That's what I was taught to do. It wasn't until much later that I had a chance to learn about better ways. I've never done something as stupid as take a shot at a big game animal with another animal immediately behind it... but I have jumped deer and went for the texas heart shot on the run. Stupid, and there's no justification for it. I was wrong, pure and simple. It didn't feel wrong at the time, and I didn't know any better... but it doesn't change the fact that it was wrong. It's not even up for debate.
When I learned of better ways, I set about trying to incorporate those better ways. Then as that understanding evolved, it paved the way to better ways still. This is how people should try to be. Not continually making justifications for the lesser forms, but aiming at the highest modes they can envision, and working steadfastly to see those aims achieved. We will all have our failures, but claiming those with the highest aims will be the destruction of our sport is a cowardly, ignorant, and patently false statement. Ignoring facts and trying to bend reality to suit twisted justifications doesn't deserve praise. It demands condemnation.
It is very obvious to me at this point that the majority of the population will not forego themselves. They will not deny themselves instant gratification. Not when hunting, nor anything else. So it does no one any good to remain silent. When you know the truth, silence is a lie. Often the only way we'll learn is if someone that knows better than us, says something.
Your continued actions across a year of time have taken someone that used to wish for your success, and caused me to be ashamed to ever have had anything to do with you or recommended your bullets to anyone. Do you care about that? You may not, and you have no obligation to me... but you're headed down a wrong road and it's obvious. You're the only one that can change it. It's my sincere hope that you do indeed find the will to be better. To stop perpetuating untruth. I've done many wrong things in my life. None of which I'd like to see repeated in my life, and none of which I can justify. Yet if you'd like to be better, you first need to start understanding when you are wrong. If someone was making false claims about your bullets, or someone else's product, I'd spend (and have spent) just as much effort correcting them if I knew the truth and they clearly did not.
You're defending an indefensible position. You just don't know it.
Maybe this post will cause you to think. Maybe it will cause you to just dig in deeper. Either way, I've said my piece and I will not be interacting with you or anyone that has anything to do with you again unless I see some drastic adherence to fact show up in your behavior. You don't have to atone here for your past misdeeds... but you will atone for them. You can choose to do that on your own accord, and it will be easier... but you will not get away with any of it regardless. What is important is whether you continue this way, or you decide to be better. If you think the accolades of countless other people that also refuse to hold themselves to a higher standard will count as justification to continue your lack of standard, you're sorely mistaken.
High and continually higher standards, are what we are meant to pursue. We are to help others realize those higher standards as well, and we only condemn them when they have been made aware of the higher aim, and refuse to move toward it. These things are not opinions are open to discussion. Everyone knows whether a standard is better or worse than another. How they behave in the face of it directly reflects their character.
At the very least, you can no longer say you are unaware of the issues at hand. So if you still insist on choosing poorly, the consequences that come with them will be far worse. There are no shortage of people that are trying to justify their compromised sense of things, and they'll vilify me and come to your defense. Just as it has always been. That won't change what is. It certainly won't change my hope for people to be better and stop justifying the lesser.
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Well if you catch some, drop them in a fish tank, feed them a bunch of protein for a year, then catch one in your fish tank and tell us all about it, then you'd probably be more apples to apples. Oh and how great the hook was that you caught them in the fish tank with…
I am one of the owners of Hammer Bullets. I did not realize that I am now supposed to be an advocate for high fence hunting. I personally don't care how people choose to hunt. I could be wrong, but I think most hunts that are done in TX through a concession are behind high fence. There are many different ways of hunting out there. They are not all for everyone. I have been to South Africa 4 times now and TX twice. We will be going back to TX again in Feb with Christian Outdoor Alliance, https://www.mycoa.org/hunting. We will be going back to Africa in May with Trophy Game Safari, http://www.tgsafari.co.za/. Our experience in TX has been hunting from blinds and spot and stalk. TGS safaris don't shoot from vehicles. They use blinds for archery only. Rifle is often spotted from vehicles but always drive away from the animals and stalk from there. So that the animals don't associate the vehicles with hunting. Prior to hunting with both of these outfits I too had a pretty negative perception of high fence. We always called them a pet and shoot. I have not had a poor experience with these outfits as you had in Africa. I certainly would not call them tough hunts. I have worn out a lot of pairs of boots hunting in the Rocky Mountains of MT. I will continue to do so as long as my body will let me. Our business has afforded us the opportunity to hunt diff places across the US and internationally that I never dreamed this MT farm boy would ever get to do. We just booked a trophy bull elk hunt in NM next fall with Black Mountain Outfitters Inc. I don't expect that it will be nearly as strenuous as when we hunt on our own here in MT but because of the amount of land that they control, our odds of getting very big bulls are much higher than we would have on our own here in MT. I am guessing that makes me a "lesser hunter" too. We hunted in Australia last July. That was different than anything I have ever experienced. In a week and a half we shot over 140 animals. That was in the Northern Outback. We are planning to go back in 2025 to West Australia to hunt camels, donkeys, horses, and pigs. Mostly camels. It is so remote there that we will have to helicopter into a remote camp. They say it is nothing to shoot 100 camels in a day. We will have to bring reloading supplies in order to not run out of ammo. This culling at a level that I can't imagine. They have a terrible feral animal problem there. There is potential that we may get paid for each camel we take. I don't know but I am guessing this too will make me a lessor hunter in some peoples eyes.
I think I understand the spirit of your post, but I do kindly disagree. I don't believe anyone is helped by the "I disagree, do better" type responses. No different than if I'm trying to get someone to seat a bullet correctly, I'm going to spell it out as definitely as I can... rather than just tell them "seat the bullet right."
I might say that if I truly were not wanting them to be better, however.
I should leave it alone but...What position am I taking that is indefensible? Also I did say they sometimes jump. What more do you want? The guide on the aoudad hunt cleared the shot before it was taken. Everyone there at the time thought the shot was clear. Nobody knew the lamb was there until after we recovered the ram. Nobody there was happy about it. Technically they could have charged me for two sheep but did not because nothing was done with malice or recklessness. There was about 10 min of waiting for that shot to clear and unfortunately we all made a mistake. The rifle used in the video was not loaded hot. It had a rough chamber that sometimes would make primary extraction difficult. Wby has since polished the chamber and now the problem doesn't exist.One of the best ways to tell if people are lying, is if they won't concede on ANY point... regardless of how much evidence has been provided to prove they are wrong.
You keep saying how it's the same old "get hammer" people. It isn't. I was an ally, or at the very least an uninterested 3rd party. I wanted to see what you're doing succeed. You must have a short memory, because not very long ago I expended more time and effort and resources trying to get your 22cal bullets to shoot small than I have on any other bullets in the history of my career. They failed to meet my standards, but knowing there are plenty of people that are just fine with 5/8-3/4 MOA, I just let it be. Then too, based on user reports, the larger calibers such as the .338 guys seemed to get better results. So rather than put out a video showing just how poorly the 3-4 different types of .22cal hammers did compared to literally every other cup/core bullet I have here, I just moved on and told myself I'd try some of your bigger bullets some day. My conscience is clean and I can prove I was really wanting to be an ally. Secondly, I'm not a part of any group. Nearly everyone here can attest that I go my own way, no matter what.
That post right there, and countless others like it, is what caused me to no longer care if you succeed or fail. Me feeling that way doesn't make me a "get hammer" person. It makes me a "DO BETTER" person. I'm telling you, to do better.
Your repeated demonstrated inability to objectively weigh things properly in the spirit of truth, and then bully the people speaking out on it. THAT is why I'm taking exception to your behavior.
So, I make an argument, and instead of discussing the argument itself... you try to form an attack that consists of how I must use "high fences" to hunt pronghorn. I tell you I don't... and that here, I simply can't, unless it's a true high fence... (which we don't have, even most of the buffalo fence allows deer/pronghorn through) So you don't accept the fact that I don't utilize the scummy high fence tactics that you and others clearly employ... and try to claim that it's impossible that I don't. You say pronghorn DON'T jump fences. Then I show you a couple random videos of pronghorn, and one video of my own, showing unequivocal proof that not only do they jump fences, they jump fences when it's obvious they don't have to. I further state that not only do they do it, but that it is 100% normal and a part of their daily life that they don't even think about, and I've witnessed it being like that for quite a while now. I took that video off my porch. I live with these animals year round. You got a lot of pronghorn at your house in the burbs in the mountains there fella?
Instead of acknowledging that you are simply out of your depth, and your attempted argument against my ability to hold the standard I set has failed... you sarcastically spit out your self immolating placation and talk about what isn't in the nature of a pronghorn, when you clearly have no idea what is and isn't their nature in the modern world.
Further responding that they "sometimes" jump fences, when I've already stated that it's so commonplace that no one in northwestern south dakota would even consider it newsworthy. They do it literally everywhere around here every single day. Through or over, the fences mean nothing to them. They go where they want to go, just like a deer. Then, being one to not leave anything alone ever, you try to claim that because I and others won't bend to your ridiculous assertions, that we're destroying all of hunting. Not being satisfied with that, you also start attacking purity itself. What kind of narcissist wants to sit and argue on behalf of the lesser things and vilify the better things? Someone that wants to make himself feel better about making poor choices, and compromising on things that shouldn't be compromised on... that's who.
Shooting Aoudad in a herd, and taking out a kid in the process, then LYING about it on camera and saying you waited for them to clear. Loading ammo so hot you can't open your bolt, in a clear attempt to push velocity to levels it shouldn't be. Continually attacking everyone here personally, instead of attacking their argument. Joining up with anti-lead anti-hunting groups to participate in any capacity with anti's promotion of faulty studies directed SOULY at attacking hunters. Advocating that high fence hunting isn't indeed lesser than open wild hunting. Ignoring all evidence that you're flat wrong on a subject, clearly indicating that if you'll do that once, you'll do it always when it suits you. You think hunters are all on the same team? Well we're not. I will rightly condemn some idiot chasing a deer down across a field with a pickup, poking a rifle out the window and shooting it. I'll condemn that as well as countless other idiotic practices that the people engaged in those types of things will try to justify.
If there's a downfall of this hunting heritage we all participate in, it's those of low character doing low character activities that will be the cause. NOT those looking to advance the purity of the discipline. I certainly don't think high fence hunting qualifies as low character, but it certainly isn't on the same level as true wild fair chase. That's not a fact open for debate.
Now it's important to mention I'm far from being faultless. When I was younger, I too engaged in methods of hunting that were of low character. Commonplace and widely accepted, but still of low character. That's what I was taught to do. It wasn't until much later that I had a chance to learn about better ways. I've never done something as stupid as take a shot at a big game animal with another animal immediately behind it... but I have jumped deer and went for the texas heart shot on the run. Stupid, and there's no justification for it. I was wrong, pure and simple. It didn't feel wrong at the time, and I didn't know any better... but it doesn't change the fact that it was wrong. It's not even up for debate.
When I learned of better ways, I set about trying to incorporate those better ways. Then as that understanding evolved, it paved the way to better ways still. This is how people should try to be. Not continually making justifications for the lesser forms, but aiming at the highest modes they can envision, and working steadfastly to see those aims achieved. We will all have our failures, but claiming those with the highest aims will be the destruction of our sport is a cowardly, ignorant, and patently false statement. Ignoring facts and trying to bend reality to suit twisted justifications doesn't deserve praise. It demands condemnation.
It is very obvious to me at this point that the majority of the population will not forego themselves. They will not deny themselves instant gratification. Not when hunting, nor anything else. So it does no one any good to remain silent. When you know the truth, silence is a lie. Often the only way we'll learn is if someone that knows better than us, says something.
Your continued actions across a year of time have taken someone that used to wish for your success, and caused me to be ashamed to ever have had anything to do with you or recommended your bullets to anyone. Do you care about that? You may not, and you have no obligation to me... but you're headed down a wrong road and it's obvious. You're the only one that can change it. It's my sincere hope that you do indeed find the will to be better. To stop perpetuating untruth. I've done many wrong things in my life. None of which I'd like to see repeated in my life, and none of which I can justify. Yet if you'd like to be better, you first need to start understanding when you are wrong. If someone was making false claims about your bullets, or someone else's product, I'd spend (and have spent) just as much effort correcting them if I knew the truth and they clearly did not.
You're defending an indefensible position. You just don't know it.
Maybe this post will cause you to think. Maybe it will cause you to just dig in deeper. Either way, I've said my piece and I will not be interacting with you or anyone that has anything to do with you again unless I see some drastic adherence to fact show up in your behavior. You don't have to atone here for your past misdeeds... but you will atone for them. You can choose to do that on your own accord, and it will be easier... but you will not get away with any of it regardless. What is important is whether you continue this way, or you decide to be better. If you think the accolades of countless other people that also refuse to hold themselves to a higher standard will count as justification to continue your lack of standard, you're sorely mistaken.
High and continually higher standards, are what we are meant to pursue. We are to help others realize those higher standards as well, and we only condemn them when they have been made aware of the higher aim, and refuse to move toward it. These things are not opinions are open to discussion. Everyone knows whether a standard is better or worse than another. How they behave in the face of it directly reflects their character.
At the very least, you can no longer say you are unaware of the issues at hand. So if you still insist on choosing poorly, the consequences that come with them will be far worse. There are no shortage of people that are trying to justify their compromised sense of things, and they'll vilify me and come to your defense. Just as it has always been. That won't change what is. It certainly won't change my hope for people to be better and stop justifying the lesser.
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You don't know much of anything about the REAL Texas. I'm in the lower panhandle where ranches are still measured in tens of THOUSANDS of acres. I have one neighbor that is 32k acres and one that is 57k acres. There is a high fence in the neighborhood that I disgustingly refer to as the petting zoo. So many animals stacked in such a small pen that it is quite literally DIRT and not much more. Story I hear is that an oil man with deep pockets set it up for his son who is a taxidermist. They fly people in to "hunt" and the son gets to mount all the "trophies". I pray all the time that a tornado will take that fence down and at least let those animals have something to eat! It's criminal really. They have a catch pen attached to the petting zoo that they plant wheat in. When the mule deer come in there they close the gates and force them into the "BIG pen" that is about 150 acres. I witnessed them doing it one day and pulled my pickup over in the ditch, flagged them down, and not so graciously told them If they opened the gate into the "big pen" there would be an *** whopping coming! I honestly and sincerely thought it was against the law! I called the game warden and he advised that the way they were doing it was in fact legal at this time…..albeit highly unethical.
What a ridiculous comparison
No flame needed. I am certainly no TX expert. I've been there twice! Down around Del Rio. We caught way more illegals than animals. I think your post is right on. What you describe about the petting zoo sounds terrible. I got to visit a place there that raises exotics and sells them to hunting concessions. They were bigger than what you described but they really don't do any hunting there. Only if animals need to be culled. More like killing than hunting. It was interesting to see their breeding program. If I understand correctly it is no longer legal to bring in exotics to the state and has been that way for a long time. The exotics that are in TX are all decedents of the time when it was legal.
I guess you have never hunted a high fence that's 20k plus acres? I've hunted both they are what they are and each one is fun in its own right. The one I frequent the most is great for people who have a hard time getting out. They do a ton of good for wounded vets and special needs kids.
At some point I feel I could be a main "tester" Very few people if any have killed more game with hammer than myself. I'd love to see what the issues are and what the band aid is. Have I lost an animal yep. Was it the bullet hard to say because game wasn't recovered. More than likely it was me. The vast amount of game I've taken with them that I have recovered show great consistency. Even feeding in AR platforms.Lol you seem to forget that I actually use your bullets
If I hated them I would post the message I got from your main tester guy about how he's had and seen many failures and has to use "bandaids" to make them work correctly.
I've never liked high fence "trophies ", so that's nothing new.
If the shooter used a different bullet would you be defending his high fence trophy? I highly doubt you would even like the picture. So, who is the pathetic one?
