Diesel Fuel in Venezuela .06 per gallon

Sorry brother buzz, but I do not feel I laid blame or made comparisons, just apalled at some americans lack of unity for his common man when he is down, be he dumb as a brick, poor as dirt or a wealthy oil man. My first post was simply a hello wake up and look at this..But to answer your question about why you should feel sorry and possibly help out someone who made poor decisions when you did not, I simply do it because it is right. I think we founded a nation on that principal.
 
Your first post insinuates that, since diesel fuel is supposedly .06 a gallon in Venezuela, we are somehow being taken advantage of in this country.......problem is, you didn't investigate WHY fuel is cheap there, you simply passed along the ignorance......looks like you are the one who needs to wake up......

Take the opportunity to learn something here and on the other board you posted this nonsense to.......doesn't look like it went over too well there either........
 
Fuel in alberta

We are paying $1.08 CAN PER LITER REG GAS and $1.22 for diesel.This converts to$3.98US per gal gas and $4.51 for diesel.You don't have it so bad you are paying less at the pump for Alberta oil than we are.Wait until your federal and state governments tax fuel as much as ours do.Then you will feel the pain.How about $150 plus to fill a Suburban.
 
TODAY'S WAR!
>>
>>
>> This is from the guy who had his finger on the nuclear trigger for
three
>> years as head of our defense and response complex buried under
Cheyenne
>> Mountain at Colorado Springs. He was the only person who could
initiate
>> a nuclear attack after advising the sitting president of a missile
>> launch by our enemies and our need to respond. No political or
civilian
>> type in the US had more knowledge about day to day military actions
>> around the world.
>>
>> Everyone should find quiet time to read this.
>>
>> John R. (Jack) Farrington Major General, USAF (Retired)
>>
>> Middle East Imperative
>>
>> BY: JIM CASH, Brig. Gen., USAF, Ret.
>>
>>
>>
>> I recently wrote about the war in Iraq and the larger war against
>> radical Islam, eliciting a number of responses. Let me try and put
this
>> conflict in proper perspective.
>>
>> Understand, the current battle we are engaged in is much bigger than
>> just Iraq. What happens in the next year will affect this country and

>> how our kids and grand kids live throughout their lifetime, and
beyond.
>> Radical Islam has been attacking the West since the seventh century.
>> They have been defeated in the past and decimated to the point of
taking
>> hundreds of years to recover. But they can never be totally defeated.

>> Their birth rates are so far beyond civilized world rates that in
time
>> they recover and attempt to dominate again.
>>
>> There are eight terror-sponsoring countries that make up the grand
>> threat to the West. Two, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, just need firm
>> pressure from the West to make major reforms. They need to decide who

>> they are really going to support and commit to that support. That
>> answer is simple. They both will support who they think will hang in
>> there until the end, and win. We are not sending very good signals in

>> that direction right now, thanks to the Democrats.
>>
>> The other six, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, North Korea and Libya
>> will require regime change or a major policy shift. Now, let's look
>> more closely.
>>
>> Afghanistan and Iraq have both had regime changes, but are being
fueled
>> by outsiders from Syria and Iran We have scared Gaddafi's pants off,
>> and he has given up his quest for nuclear weapons, so I don't think
>> Libya is now a threat.
>>
>> North Korea (the non-Islamic threat) can be handled diplomatically by

>> buying them off. They are starving. That leaves Syria and Iran. Syria

>> is like a frightened puppy. Without the support of Iran they will
join
>> the stronger side. So where does that leave us? Sooner or later, we
are
>> going to be forced to confront Iran, and it better be before they
gain
>> nuclear capability.
>>
>> In 1989 I served as a Command Director inside the Cheyenne Mountain
>> complex located in Colorado Springs, Colorado for almost three years.

>> My job there was to observe (through classified means) every missile
>> shot anywhere in the world and assess if it was a threat to the US or

>> Canada. If any shot was threatening to either nation I had only
minutes
>> to advise the President, as he had only minutes to respond.
>>
>> I watched Iran and Iraq shoot missiles at each other every day, and
all
>> day, for months . They killed hundreds of thousands of their people.
>> Know why? They were fighting for control of the Middle East and that
>> enormous oil supply.
>>
>> At that time, they were preoccupied with their internal problems and
>> could care less about toppling the west. Oil prices were fairly
stable
>> and we could not see an immediate threat. Well, the worst part of
what
>> we have done as a nation in Iraq is to do away with the military
>> capability of one of those nations. Now, Iran has a clear field to
>> dominate the Middle East, since Iraq is no longer a threat to them.
>> They have turned their attention to the only other threat to their
>> dominance, they are convinced they will win, because the US is so
>> divided, and the Democrats (who now control Congress and may control
the
>> Presidency in 2008) have openly said we are pulling out.
>>
>> Do you have any idea what will happen if the entire Middle East turns

>> their support to Iran , which they will obviously do if we pull out?
It
>> is not the price of oil we will have to worry about. Oil WILL NOT BE
>> AVAILABLE to this country at any price. I personally would vote for
any
>> presidential candidate who did what JFK did with the space program;
>> declare a goal to bring this country to total energy independence in
a
>> decade.
>>
>> Yes, it is about oil. The economy in this country will totally die if

>> that Middle East supply is cut off right now. It will not be a
>> recession. It will be a depression that will make 1929 look like the
>> "good-old-days". The bottom line here is simple. If Iran is forced to

>> fall in line, the fighting in Iraq will end over night, and the
>> nightmare will be over.
>>
>> One way or another, Iran must be forced to join modern times and the
>> global community. It may mean a real war - if so, now is the time,
>> before we face a nuclear Iran with the capacity to destroy Israel and

>> begin a new ice age.
>>
>> I urge you to read the book "END GAME" by two of our best Middle East

>> experts, true American patriots and retired military generals, Paul
>> Vallely and Tom McInerney. They are our finest, and totally honest in

>> their assessment of why victory in the Middle East is so important,
and
>> how it can be won. Proceeds for the book go directly to memorial fund

>> for our fallen soldiers who served the country during the war on
terror.
>> You can find that book by going to the internet through Stand-up
America
>> at www.ospreyradio.us <http://www.ospreyradio.us/> or
www.rightalk.com.
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, we have several very angry retired generals today,

>> who evidently have not achieved their lofty goals, and insist on
ranting
>> and raving about the war. They are wrong, and doing the country great

>> harm by giving a certain political party reason to use them as
experts
>> to back their anti-war claims.
>>
>> You may be one of those who believe nothing could ever be terrible
>> enough to support our going to war. If that is the case I should stop

>> here, as that level of thinking approaches mental disability in this
day
>> and age. It is right up there with alien abductions and high altitude

>> seeding through government aircraft contrails. I helped produced
those
>> contrails for almost 30 years, and I can assure you we were not
seeding
>> the atmosphere. The human race is a war-like population, and if a
>> country is not willing to protect itself, it deserves the
consequences.
>> Nuff-said!!!
>>
>> Now, my last comments will get to the nerve. They will be on
politics.
>> I am not a Republican. And, George Bush has made enough mistakes as
>> President to insure my feelings about that for the rest of my life.
>> However, the Democratic Party has moved so far left, they have made
me
>> support those farther to the right. I am a conservative who totally
>> supports the Constitution of this country. The only difference
between
>> the United States and the South American, third world, dictator
infested
>> and ever-changing South American governments, is our US Constitution.

>>
>> This Republic (note I did not say Democracy) is the longest standing
the
>> world has ever known, but it is vulnerable. It would take so little
to
>> change it through economic upheaval. There was a time when
politicians
>> could disagree, but still work together. We are past that time, and
>> that is the initial step toward the downfall of our form of
government.
>> I think that many view Bush-hating as payback time. The Republicans
>> hated the Clinton's and now the Democrats hate Bush. So, both parties

>> are putting their hate toward willingness to do anything for
political
>> dominance to include lying and always taking the opposite stand just
for
>> the sake of being opposed.
>>
>> JUST HOW GOOD IS THAT FOR OUR COUNTRY?
>> In my lifetime, after serving in uniform for Presidents Kennedy,
>> Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, and Bush I have a pretty good
feel
>> for which party supported our military, and what military life was
like
>> under each of their terms. And, let me assure you that times were
best
>> under the Republicans.
>>
>> Service under Jimmy Carter was devastating for all branches of the
>> military.
>> And, Ronald Regan was truly a salvation. You can choose to listen to
>> enriched newscasters, and foolish people like John Murtha (he is no
war
>> hero), Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Michael Moore, Jane Fonda , Harry
Reid,
>> Russ Feingold, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, and on-and-on to include

>> the true fools in Hollywood if you like. If you do, your conclusions
>> will be totally wrong.
>>
>> The reason that I write, appear on radio talk shows, and do
everything I
>> can to denounce those people is simple. THEY ARE PUTTING THEIR THIRST

>> FOR POLITICAL POWER AND QUEST FOR VICTORY IN 2008 ABOVE WHAT IS BEST
FOR
>> THIS COUNTRY. I cannot abide that. Pelosi clearly defied the Logan
Act
>> by going to Syria , which should have lead to imprisonment of three
>> years and a heavy fine.
>>
>> Jane Fonda did more to prolong the Vietnam war longer than any other
>> human being (as acknowledged by Ho Chi Minh in his writing before he
>> died). She truly should have been indicted for treason, along with
her
>> radical husband, Tom Hayden, and forced to pay the consequences.
>>
>> This country has started to soften by not enforcing its laws, which
is
>> another indication of a Republic about to fall. All Democrats, along
>> with the Hollywood elite, are sending us headlong into a total defeat
in
>> the Middle East, which will finally give Iran total dominance in the
>> region. A lack of oil in the near future will be the final straw that

>> dooms this Republic. However, if we refuse to let this happen and
>> really get serious about an energy self-sufficiency program, this can
be
>> avoided. I am afraid, however, that we are going in the opposite
>> direction.
>>
>> If we elect Hillary Clinton and a Democrat-controlled congress, and
they
>> carry through with allowing Iran to take control of the Middle East,
>> continue to refuse development of nuclear energy, refuse to allow
>> drilling for new oil, and continue to do nothing but oppose
everything
>> Bush, it will be over in terms of what we view as the good life in
the
>> USA.
>>
>> Now, do I think that all who do not support the war are un-American
...
>> of course not. They just do not understand the importance of total
>> victory in that region.
>>
>> Another failure of George Bush is his inability to explain to the
>> American people why we are there, and why we MUST win. By the way, it

>> is not a war. It is martial law that is under attack by Iranian and
>> Syrian outside influences, and there is a difference.
>>
>> So, what do I believe? What is the bottom line? I will simply say
that
>> the Democratic Party has fielded the foulest, power hungry,
>> anti-country, self absorbed group of individuals that I have observed
in
>> my lifetime. Our educational system is partially to blame for
allowing
>> the mass of America to be taken in by this group.
>>
>> To win wars, you must put boots on the ground. When you put boots on
the
>> ground, soldiers are going to die. A President must make the war
>> decision wisely, and insure that the cause is right before using his
>> last political option. However, CONTROLLING IRAN AND DEMOCRATIZING
THE
>> MIDDLE EAST IS THE ONLY CHOICE IF WE ARE HELL- BENT ON DEPENDING ON
THEM
>> FOR OUR FUTURE ENERGY NEEDS.
>>
>> Jimmy L. Cash, Brig. Gen., USAF, Ret.
>> Lakeside , Montana 59922
>>
>> "I'll tell you what war is all about, you've got to kill people, and
>> when you've killed enough they stop fighting."
>> - Gen. Curtis LeMay
>>
>>
 
That's real nice, and I agree with a lot of what was written.......but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with $.06/gallon diesel fuel in Venezuela........

By the way.......any idea who the biggest supplier of oil imported into the US is???? Here's a hint.......it's not any country in the middle east.......
 
Hey buzz: You got stock in the oil buis or something? High diesel prices can only hurt the U.S. not help it. It's really pretty easy to understand. Everything we buy, eat or consume comes off a truck. The more fuel cost's the more anything you can spend money on will cost. For obvious reasons this is not good for the American economy especially when were sliding into a recession. Of course if your in the oil buisness you don't have to worry because you are getting rich off the american economy. I work at a truck shop and if you want to talk to mad people talk to the truckers.
 
SNIP

I work at a truck shop and if you want to talk to mad people talk to the truckers.

AND, I'm sure that they are mad at the politicians that THEY elected, that are NOT drilling in Anwar, NOT drilling offshore, NOT creating a Manhattan Project to gasify and liquefy Coal, NOT putting the mechanism in place to enable the building of Nuclear Power plants!

I am thankful that they are mad at THEM, and not the Oil Companies that ARE supplying us with oil!

R-I-G-H-T !!!


edge.
 
My original post was truly only a question, please reread it before commenting, at the time I heard this statement from my friends I was truly woken up and wanted others such as myself to also wake up and look around,

Now to the intricasies of what I woke up to ..some of you guys are just not like me at all..even though we walk in similar circles I do not consider your antics and posts patriotic at all. IMHO

I guess what I must truly confess here is that I am truly worried about our state of affairs in this once Great Nation..It seems we are now filled with so much nonsense that a lot of people are truly beginning to believe we just woke up one day and here was the good old USA. Naivity of the weak mined is taking over and is leading us down a very sad path. Check this out. Yes I know it is someones right to believe whatever they want.
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Strick9, you seem to write in cryptic messages? I have no idea what you are writing about!

You wrote:

SNIP "I was truly woken up and wanted others such as myself to also wake up and look around,"

WHAT did you wake up to, PRIOR to this thread, that oil is expensive?

"Now to the intricasies of what I woke up to ..some of you guys are just not like me at all..even though we walk in similar circles I do not consider your antics and posts patriotic at all. IMHO"

WHAT antics or posts were not patriotic, please specify?

SNIP "Naivity of the weak mined is taking over and is leading us down a very sad path."

WHAT path are we headed down?

I really can't figure out what you are referring to!!

edge.
 
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Hey buzz: You got stock in the oil buis or something? High diesel prices can only hurt the U.S. not help it. It's really pretty easy to understand. Everything we buy, eat or consume comes off a truck. The more fuel cost's the more anything you can spend money on will cost. For obvious reasons this is not good for the American economy especially when were sliding into a recession. Of course if your in the oil buisness you don't have to worry because you are getting rich off the american economy. I work at a truck shop and if you want to talk to mad people talk to the truckers.

Well, I do have 401K money invested in several mutual funds......those funds might include oil company stock (I hope so!).....but I can't say for sure......and, NO, I don't work for an oil company....however, I DO remember 1986 when crude was selling for less than $10/barrel and I doubt any of you were jumping on any bandwagon to help the people in the oil business who were going broke.

Unfortunately, many folks are angry enough about high fuel prices that they are ready to believe ANYTHING anybody says about why prices are high.....except the truth.......that is both foolish and counterproductive. They hear the part of the story that tells about record profits, but they don't bother to investigate and discover that most big oil companies have rolled that profit into new exploration and updating refineries so that we will have fuel in the future. And, did everyone forget that Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel regulations went into effect last October??? Do you suppose that converting and updating refineries to produce fuel that complies with that law was free??? Do you think it costs refineries the same to produce a gallon of 15ppm ultra low sulphur diesel as it did to produce a gallon of dirty high sulphur diesel??? Do you think that just maybe the oil companies need to recover their cost of updating those refineries....or, did you think they would just eat that cost out of the goodness of their hearts???? Do you think the shareholders that actually own the oil companies would be content if those companies were selling products at a loss???? Do you have ANY idea how oil prices are set??? Have you ever heard of the NYMEX and commodity trading???

How about a quick lesson??? There are 42 gallons of crude in a "barrel of oil"........oil has been trading on the NYMEX near $100 a barrel........when refined, a barrel of oil produces 51.4% gasoline, 15.3% diesel and the rest is divided into many other petro products....that means, for every barrel of oil refined, we get 21.6 gallons of gasoline and 6.4 gallons of diesel.......so, if we just look at the price of the raw crude, we find that it costs $2.38/gallon just for the crude......that's before any refining costs, before any transportation costs, before any federal, state or local taxes, and, that's before any retailer profits.....combine that with the fact that there hasn't been a new refinery built in the US for over 25 years because of environmental laws and people suing oil companies because they don't want an oil refinery built in their backyard.......and the fact that oil refineries are running at 90+% capacity just to keep up with current demand.......now do you understand why fuel is so expensive??? When you look at the big picture, it is amazing that fuel isn't much more expensive than it curently is........

Strick9 comes on here and other forums telling us to wake up and posts this drivel about somebody meeting with somebody who tells them that fuel cost $X per gallon in some hole in the wall country.....inferring that somebody, somewhere, has conspired to rip off the American consumer.......this is total BS.....and, frankly, I had hoped that we were smarter than that! The truth is, the Venezuelan government subsidizes fuel......it is sold for less than it costs to produce.....but, Strick9 didn't bother to actually do a bit of research and tell the real truth......so, does Strick9 want the US Government to subsidize fuel so that we can buy diesel for 6 cents a gallon in the US....and, if so, who do you suppose will pay for it???

I keep hearing this, "they should pass a law", and "oil companies are making too much money", and "the government should regulate oil company profits"........can you name one industry that has increased productivity, lowered prices and increased service when regulated by the government??? Do you WANT to pay more for fuel......'cause I can guarantee you, if the government gets into the oil business, we will ALL wish for the good old days of $3.50/gallon gasoline...........



Wake Up???? Yep, some people certainly do need to wake up........and get a grip on reality!
 
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Awww Jeez you two guys love to team up on Little ole me. Even on a hunting site!!..did I go out with your sister or something?

Any way hope you both have a fine evening in your sandboxes don't forget to play nice,

I am going down to my boat and having a cold one with some real men, God Bless America!
 
Perhaps the Library would be a better destination, instead of more drinkin'!

edge.
 
Strick9


You had 2 choices........you could choose to learn something, or you could choose to continue in your ignorance......I think everyone can see which choice you made!

By all means, go have a drink with some real men and don't let the facts get in the way of what you want to believe.......
 
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