I run the 180's in one of my two 300 win mags, as well as the Elite hunters in multiple other calibers. They have been easy to find a accurate load for. I start them at .010" off the lands, find a powder charge and then tweak seat depth but usually end up really close to the .010" I started at. I've taken Game with the elite hunters 6.5 cal 140, 7mm 175, 30 cal 180 and 338 cal 300. Very happy with the performance on everything. Only one I have ever got a exit wound with is the 338 cal 300 so if exit wounds are something you want then it may not be the bullet for you. On the flip side everything I've hit with one typically drops in its tracks and the farthest I've had anything go is 30-40 yards out of around 50 animals taken with them. They fragment a good bit so shoulder shots can lead to a bit of meat damage.