Bear protection handguns?

phorwath

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I hope there will be a better outcome than current information would suggest.

With just this to guide us it suggests a predatory attack. which will not be resolved by spray. These are predatory animals that have been kicked, bit swatted in their search for food, and are mentally prepared to go more than one round.

For the human involved ending it quickly is the best strategy. Spend the rangers time answering questions or waiting for your lawyer.

I remain in the no spray group.
Update:
Just read this woman was found alive. She walked out to a road. Couldn't relocate the trail after fleeing from the bears, and she spent one night on the mountainside.
No further details about her bear encounter. She was transported to a hospital for injuries, but doesn't say what caused her injuries, or identify the number or type of bears she encountered.
So much better ending here than might'a been...

Last incident in Alaska involving a bear attack victim calling for help, followed by loss of phone communication, was a 15 or 16yr-old boy who'd been participating in a competitive race up and down a mountain about 20mi south of Anchorage. Phone call reported a bear chasing him. He said he was fleeing from it, but the bear maintained pursuit. Phone comm was lost. Rescuers headed up the trail to about where the boy said he was, and found the boy dead a couple hundred yards off the trail, with a black bear feeding on his body. Terrible ending there for all involved. An official shot the bear in the face with a slug, but only wounded that black bear. Over the next several days a number of black bears were shot and killed by helicopter above tree line near the site of the killing. The 3rd or 4th black bear shot from the air was the villian bear, with the slug wound to its jaw. This happened, by the way, in another area closed to the hunting of bears. Helps explain why any bear would hang around with so much human scent in the air from the dozens of other competitors that had run up and down the trail. And then pursue and kill a race competitor. The bear had no fear of people. When they found the bear with the boy at its feet, the bear never fled. No fear of humans. Habituated to the presence of humans due to being reared in an area with mountain trails, which was closed to the hunting of bears for decades.

Organizers of these mountain races have since stepped up vigilance with better communications and additional check points and staffing. Same with the City of Seward Mount Marathon race (after the 55yr-old man disappeared while participating in that race). Mount Marathon in Seward, is also closed to bear hunting, by the way.
 
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I figure if you don't like it don't read it. Who cares how long it is. If it goes off topic oh well. I find this thread informative, entertaining and get to talk to new people and learn something new along the way. I also don't care if we took it over. The OP posted once and disappeared. That doesn't bother me either.
 

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I figure if you don't like it don't read it. Who cares how long it is. If it goes off topic oh well. I find this thread informative, entertaining and get to talk to new people and learn something new along the way. I also don't care if we took it over. The OP posted once and disappeared. That doesn't bother me either.
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So the question for those with disdain becomes, how many members would you silence to satisfy your personal preferences? If you had that authority?

Ignoring the thread is as simple as simple gets... Takes less time to ignore

Or is there an underlying gripe? One yet to be expressed, besides the disdain for long threads and dissertations? Like a disagreement with opinions expressed? I suspect so.
 

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Update:
Just read this woman was found alive. She walked out to a road. Couldn't relocate the trail after fleeing from the bears, and she spent one night on the mountainside.

So much better ending here than might'a been...

a number of black bears were shot and killed by helicopter above tree line near the site of the killing. The 3rd or 4th black bear shot from the air was the villian bear, with the slug wound to its jaw. This happened, by the way, in another area closed to the hunting of bears. Helps explain why any bear would hang around with so much human scent in the air from the dozens of other competitors that had run up and down the trail. And then pursue and kill a race competitor. The bear had no fear of people. When they found the bear with the boy at its feet, the bear never fled. No fear of humans. Habituated to the presence of humans due to being reared in an area with mountain trails, which was closed to the hunting of bears for decades.
Thank God she's OK.

I feared the worst, and jumped ahead of the info. My apologies for pulling others in. I'm blaming it on pain meds.
A friend in Alaska sent it to me, and the story hooked me right away.

We've experienced the missing person thing in our family that didn't turn out well. I think is why I jumped in. That experience, kind of had me re reading the article a few times, and I realized it was the husband relaying the phone call not a 911 operator. Which the process in my experience of officials clearing the husband (not me) pushed me to "please be the bears" a little quickly.

My apologies to those of you I took on that ride with me.
 

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So the question for those with disdain becomes, how many members would you silence to satisfy your personal preferences? If you had that authority?

Ignoring the thread is as simple as simple gets... Takes less time to ignore

Or is there an underlying gripe? One yet to be expressed, besides the disdain for long threads and dissertations? Like a disagreement with opinions expressed? I suspect so.
Read what he said. I think your reading a little to much into it. Ask what caliber, what cartridge, what bullet, etc. you should use and you will get every option available in 33 pages and be no further ahead than when you started. Even if you ask 308 or 30-06 you'll get every cartridge-bullet combination under the sun. That's just why HE doesn't ask.
 

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I think the OP posted once, 33 pages ago. If he's the HE in your post, he can sound back in. He still might... or maybe he's no longer concerned about bear protection where he's going. Only he knows.

In the mean time, others with similar interests on bear firearms seem to be enjoying what the OP began. Apparently causing some disdain. Only those with disdain know why they would discourage further duscussion.
 

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Thank God she's OK.

I feared the worst, and jumped ahead of the info. My apologies for pulling others in. I'm blaming it on pain meds.
A friend in Alaska sent it to me, and the story hooked me right away.

We've experienced the missing person thing in our family that didn't turn out well. I think is why I jumped in. That experience, kind of had me re reading the article a few times, and I realized it was the husband relaying the phone call not a 911 operator. Which the process in my experience of officials clearing the husband (not me) pushed me to "please be the bears" a little quickly.

My apologies to those of you I took on that ride with me.

Hope you're making forward progress with physical therapy and recovering more mobility!
 

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I think the OP posted once, 33 pages ago. If he's the HE in your post, he can sound back in. He still might... or maybe he's no longer concerned about bear protection where he's going. Only he knows.

In the mean time, others with similar interests on bear firearms seem to be enjoying what the OP began. Apparently causing some disdain. Only those with disdain know why they would discourage further duscussion.
Great post and info. I am leaning towards the Glock 20. My lease is in Arkansas (1st year hunting there as I am in Texas). Now the fun part about Finding the Glock 20 and ammo!
 

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Great post and info. I am leaning towards the Glock 20. My lease is in Arkansas (1st year hunting there as I am in Texas). Now the fun part about Finding the Glock 20 and ammo!
What part of the State is your lease in? Make sure and get a CCWL if you are carrying and it is not gun deer season. Although we are a Constitutional carry state, you can have issues if carrying in known game cover with the Game and Fish. They can and will ticket you for hunting out of season or hunting with an improper weapon. There is no defense other than a CCWL. You cannot hunt with your pistol unless there is an open season that it is legal for. They don't play at all during bow and muzzleloader season. No need to get in trouble.
 
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When I was guiding i carried my 4570 marlin saddle 3loaded with 440gr remington ammo and shoulder holstered 6" 44 mag S&W revolver with hot handloaded 240gr XKPs . Never had to use th side arm thanks to the 4570 but i never asked myself if i should be carrying something more powerful for a side arm
 

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