snox801
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-feral-pigs-time-hog-153314975.html
This just looks like a terrible idea.
This just looks like a terrible idea.
Bad idea?
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RockyMtnMT
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Seems a lot like poisoning gophers around here. It seems like it is simply not effective to keep the population down by shooting them. Doesn't seem like the farmers should have to absorb the impacts of the feral animals. I'm not a big fan of the poisons but they have to control them somehow.
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Double Naught Spy
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It is a very bad idea to use Warfarin. Part of the correct procedures that licensed users are expected to follow aftet buting the special feeders and TRAINING hogs to use them for several weeks beffore killing them is to survey for downed hogs every 4 days, collects the bodies, and bury 18' under ground or deeper so that other animals cannot consume them
Nobody is going to do that f9r dozens or hundreds of hogs.
Nobody is going to do that f9r dozens or hundreds of hogs.
FearNoWind
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Looks to me like a knee jerk response to political pressure from an agrarian constituency concerning a problem that should have been been known would develop many years ago.
"Texas A&M Agrilife Extension Service, say it's an effective tool because it's only strong enough to kill the swine, and not other wildlife populations or livestock"
I looked over the course offerings of this Extension Service and was left unimpressed with an animal science course listing with horse judging team coaches and team members: How to become better judges. 87 horse judging videos and presentations.
and
providing beef producers with the necessary information to successfully raise cattle with the highest possible quality.
If they have any expertise in the long range/extended impact of toxic chemicals used in species depredation I didn't find the evidence in looking at the course offerings. But you can have a look yourself - send up a flare if I missed something:
https://www.google.com/#q=Texas+A%26M+Agrilife+Extension+Service
Good luck Texas .... both in pursuit of defeating this proposed "solution" and in finding a better solution. Nationwide invitation to hunt pigs with no limit with no out of state fees and no hunter access fees might help.
Just sayin'
"Texas A&M Agrilife Extension Service, say it's an effective tool because it's only strong enough to kill the swine, and not other wildlife populations or livestock"
I looked over the course offerings of this Extension Service and was left unimpressed with an animal science course listing with horse judging team coaches and team members: How to become better judges. 87 horse judging videos and presentations.
and
providing beef producers with the necessary information to successfully raise cattle with the highest possible quality.
If they have any expertise in the long range/extended impact of toxic chemicals used in species depredation I didn't find the evidence in looking at the course offerings. But you can have a look yourself - send up a flare if I missed something:
https://www.google.com/#q=Texas+A%26M+Agrilife+Extension+Service
Good luck Texas .... both in pursuit of defeating this proposed "solution" and in finding a better solution. Nationwide invitation to hunt pigs with no limit with no out of state fees and no hunter access fees might help.
Just sayin'
snox801
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That's what I thought about it. Hey need a solution but this looks like a terrible idea. Lots of things could go wrong with it. Plus I'm still not sure how it's strong enough to kill 100 plus pound hogs but not deer or other animals. What about the yotes that eat them right after they die. I assume those will suffer the same fate.
bigngreen
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Poisons are so easy to customize and then put it in a strategic delivery system that I don't understand why it hasn't been used yet. Even if it kills some deer or coyotes they will bounce back fast with a dramatic kill on the hogs. Unfortunately it seems that most guys really just want enough of them to justify their play time or money controlling them and really don't want them eraticated which is what should happen.
snox801
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I don't know enough about poisons to know how it effects them. But blood thinners are know to cause all kinds of issues in almost every animal that eat it. I do like to pig hunt but were I hunt or anyplace you pay the problem is probably not a problem as it's controlling the population. The large issue comes from farms that farm crops not sell pig hunts. So most hunters don't have access already. At first I thought it would be a great solution but after looking at the delivery system and the potential problems it may bring looks like a bad idea. Based on the fact that lots of government good ideas turn out to be horrible I'd rather take a different route.
I'm sure finding a chemical that would sterilize pigs and nothing else would be an easy solution.
I'm sure finding a chemical that would sterilize pigs and nothing else would be an easy solution.
RockyMtnMT
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I agree with this. Having lived my life in or around ag, it is always easy for those who do not farm or ranch think it is ok for the land owners to have to shoulder the problem. Kind of like "So what if the wolves eat your cattle, they were here 1st". "Besides there is lots of land there and very few people, so they should just deal with it".
If these animals indeed must be buried then the community at large should be out there helping the farmers and ranchers take care of the problem so that other animals don't get infected. But those that get their food from the grocery store and have no real idea where it comes from really don't care what problems the ranchers have to deal with. Particularly if the animal in question is one that the non ranching community wants to be available for their pleasure. Turning 100's of people out on your property to shoot willy nilly is not a good option either. Way too many egg heads out there that will put bullets through your house or livestock.
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They need to take the approach that they are introducing it into the food chain for pretty much everything. We have hawks, eagles, dogs, cats, coyotes, bobcats, etc. all coming in with effects from eating poisoned rodents. Some recover, some don't.
Who is going to recover a pig that went into the brush to die ? They don't go out into the middle of a field and croak. It will get eaten and another animal will get some secondary poisoning, although not as bad as the animal that ate it.
It just seems like they could come up with something better.
Like something that turns them blue;
Wild pig with blue fat found near Northern California ranch
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A wild pig with bright blue fat surrounding its meat was discovered after being shot by ranchers in Morgan Hill, Calif. (Imgur user GlendilTEK)
KABC
By ABC7.com staff
Saturday, September 12, 2015
MORGAN HILL, Calif. (KABC) --
Ranchers in Northern California shot a wild pig and ended up finding its meat surrounded by Smurf-blue fat.
A user on Imgur posted photos and a short explanation of the bizarre discovery at their in-laws' Morgan Hill ranch: They cut open the pig, drained most of the blood and were startled to see fluorescent blue fat peeking out of the incision.
User GlendilTEK said the ranchers are aware blue pigmentation could be caused by copper poisoning, but there are only old mercury mine shafts near the property. Other wild pigs that were shot by the couple did not have neon blue fat.
GlendilTEK said they planned to send samples of the fat to UC Davis for testing.
Who is going to recover a pig that went into the brush to die ? They don't go out into the middle of a field and croak. It will get eaten and another animal will get some secondary poisoning, although not as bad as the animal that ate it.
It just seems like they could come up with something better.
Like something that turns them blue;
Wild pig with blue fat found near Northern California ranch
A wild pig with bright blue fat surrounding its meat was discovered after being shot by ranchers in Morgan Hill, Calif. (Imgur user GlendilTEK)
KABC
By ABC7.com staff
Saturday, September 12, 2015
MORGAN HILL, Calif. (KABC) --
Ranchers in Northern California shot a wild pig and ended up finding its meat surrounded by Smurf-blue fat.
A user on Imgur posted photos and a short explanation of the bizarre discovery at their in-laws' Morgan Hill ranch: They cut open the pig, drained most of the blood and were startled to see fluorescent blue fat peeking out of the incision.
User GlendilTEK said the ranchers are aware blue pigmentation could be caused by copper poisoning, but there are only old mercury mine shafts near the property. Other wild pigs that were shot by the couple did not have neon blue fat.
GlendilTEK said they planned to send samples of the fat to UC Davis for testing.
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HARPERC
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It's a big state with lots of stories, but you can't put out that many corn feeders, to entice exotics, and deer, and not have vermin of some kind as a result.
I think the deer would at least be a wash, between eliminating hog predation, and coyotes, that doesn't sound like a negative outcome for deer.
Poison professionally applied always sounds reasonable, but expensive. Driven by that same bottom line, the quality of applicators always suffers. Sometimes to someone that can't read the label. Different states, different regs, different targets, different experiences.
J E Custom
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My understanding was that they were working on a contraceptive the would control the population growth. Not a poison that would risk other species.
I am going to look into this for my own reasons and go from there. I like to hunt them and also eat them, but hunting pressure is just not working to control there population. We kill every pig we see and they keep populating faster than we can kill them.
The hogs are doing the same thing to white tail deer and turkeys that the wolf is doing to the mule deer and the Elk in other states.
J E CUSTOM
I am going to look into this for my own reasons and go from there. I like to hunt them and also eat them, but hunting pressure is just not working to control there population. We kill every pig we see and they keep populating faster than we can kill them.
The hogs are doing the same thing to white tail deer and turkeys that the wolf is doing to the mule deer and the Elk in other states.
J E CUSTOM
HARPERC
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Thanks for that link Wedgy-I couldn't remember where I'd seen it.
HARPERC
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This problem in particular looks a little different to me. It seems from the opposite end of the country. A lot of this was started to attract people willing to shoot the hogs for a price. A few extra $$$$, that has blown up in some faces, hitting an economic tipping point.
Shooting will not resolve the issue, the reproductive rate is too **** high. I've watched for quite awhile the prices of shooting hogs in Texas, and while not everybody should be let in, some more attractive packages for hunting could help a bit.
Bullet holes in places they should not be is real, but some of the current bleeding in this issue is self inflicted.
The price of bacon being what it is there should be another solution. Likely involve FDA regulations being re thought, subsidy distribution, and maybe something in the export issues.
snox801
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I agree with the above. Bring in usda and make some new rules for consumption. I've been talking with the ranch I hunt in Florida about his price doubling since last year. He said that since they have changed the rules to allow restaurants to use wild pig easily he is now in a bidding war with food suppliers. I though he was full of it so I called around. Seems trapping is so lucrative now in Florida lots have taken to it. One trapper stated that he did it as a hobby for a while but now he can bring them to the auction and have buyers from ranches and food distributors bid against each other. He stated that he is getting $150 a pig. Sounds like a good way to make some coin that should attract more trappers. Florida is much different than Texas so it may not work the same but it may be an option.
I know they need to get rid of them somehow just like our wolves but poison of that kind doesn't seem like a good idea. But it may be.
I know they need to get rid of them somehow just like our wolves but poison of that kind doesn't seem like a good idea. But it may be.
