6.5 WSM - vs - 300 WSM for whitetails

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by Eddie Miller, Dec 29, 2002.

  1. Eddie Miller

    Eddie Miller New Member

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    I've been reading this board for a few weeks now and you guys have given me the fever for a new long range whitetail rifle. Where I hunt in Texas I will classify long range as up to 600 - 650 yards. Past that I can't really judge the absolute quality of a buck. Currently I've got a 260, 270, 280 and a 30-06. I'm comfortable with these out to 400 but I'd like something a little more positive out to 600yd. One other thing, although I reload for my prairie dog rifles, I don't really want to get another calber that would require reloading. I plan on having a rifle built so setting it up with the right throat etc would be doable with a factory round. Not wanting to reload has led me to the 300 WSM. My original plan was to get a 300 WSM barrel with a twist that would spin the 150 (or 165 if they come out with a factory loading) optimally. However I've read alot of favorable things about the 6.5 WSM on this site. Has Winchester announced the 6.5 WSM as a factory round yet? What bullet weights will they offer? How fast will it eat up barrels? Considering the calibers I currently have, which would be the better step up for 400 - 600 yds and offer great wind deflection? The 6.5 or the 300? Would either one of these choices give me enough extra range to warrnat the expense of a new rifle? Sorry to be so long winded but I'm really interested in making the right choice if I'm going to build another rifle. Thanks - Eddie
     
  2. Ian M

    Ian M Well-Known Member

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    Eddie,
    You might very well have all the rifle that you need to shoot out to 600-650, might be that you just need to get the personal skill and confidence to make that shot. Texas deer are not difficult to kill, although they can be a very difficult target so hitting one properly with a .27 to .30 cal bullet is the real challenge. Not trying to demean your personal shooting ability, but most guys who want to get out past 400 can use some marksmanship instruction and the more practice the better.
    I have found that many factory rifles will or can be made to shoot lethal-sized groups out to 5 or 600 or even significantly farther. You may already have a rifle that will do the job, or that can be worked over a bit to get the accuracy required. If you are shooting sub minute of angle (-1") at one hundred your rifle is probably up to the job.
    If your rifles are custom built they probably have a lot of accurizing done already, otherwise you could look at a bedding job, maybe recrowning, trigger job - all good things to do to any factory rifle.
    If not you can go two routes, have a custom built which would probably involve around $1500 and up (depends if you supply an action or want something like a Nesika, who is doing the work, goodies used to built with), or buy a rifle like a Remington Sendero in .300 Win. that is intended for those types of shots. There are also some "semi-custom" rifles such as the H-S Pro-2000, or Brown that would be good.
    Big factors becomes optics and personal skill. Bottom line easiest way to get the confidence and skill required to kill at that distance would be to contact someone like Bobby Whittington at Badlands Tactical Training near Wichita Falls TX. They do the job for teaching how to hit out to your required distance and farther.

    Spend money on ammo and shoot as much as you can. You can spend a lot of money on a supergun, but 600-650 is really not that difficult to shoot to. I would get the best scope I could afford and a bunch of ammo. Then shoot regularly keeping good notes on wind, drops etc. The reason that a lot of guys on this site talk the talk, and walk the walk is because they are backed by good solid records and data on very good rifles and loads.
    Your objective is very doable and you can have a lot of fun getting that confidence and skill. Get a partner who is also interested in getting there - then start shooting paper and steel targets. What you want to do requires wind reading skill - that is going to be the challenge to acquire but it is very doable. Who knows, maybe you will want to shoot even farther someday.
    I increased my practice distance out to 700-1000 just so that I can have confidence for the exact shot you are talking about. There are a lot of fellows here who can make kills at double or triple that distance. More power to them. I am with you in wanting to shoot confidently from 500-700 yards, that is the level of challenge I want in my hunting at this point in time.
    Good luck, sorry to ramble.
     
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  4. BountyHunter

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    Ed

    Agree you have got the platforms for what you need already. The 280 would work great with 150s. If the gun is bedded and shoots well, go with making it a 280 Ack Imp.

    Finally, 6.5wsm is not out and it is a barrel burner by all accounts (some as low as 400 rds and the barrel is gone). You would be much better off staying with the 300 WSM in good 165 or 180-190 gr bullets. Buy a Win coyote in 300, bed it and work the trigger.

    Good luck
     
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  6. baldeagle713

    baldeagle713 Well-Known Member

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    I have a WSM in the 270 caliber. I have shot 1022yds with it and had a 26 inch group. That was strait from the factory with nothin done to the gun with reloads in it.SO practuce practuse. [​IMG] I hope to tighen that up this year though! Lots of the 1000 yrd bench rest shooters are using the 6.5 caliber. Good luck and happy shootin.

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