308 loading help

I use Federal also for some loads but I agree that the brass doesn't hold up long after 3-4 loadings but it's suitable for that time period for me. I primarily run Alpha SRP and also have good luck with Starline SRP which is affordable and holds up well but it requires a little more detailed prep work.
 
My loads with Federal are extremely accurate, but only last 2-3 firings at the accuracy node for 168/175s. It is darn hard to wear out Lapua brass, and it is worth every penny you pay for it. Alpha would be the same. If you anneal every fith firing on Lapua, you will be hard pressed to wear out the brass.

If you can find any Winchester brass fired in Swat rifles, typically very good due to it being fired in bolt guns. You still may have to small-base size the Winchester if you have a custom chamber.

H4895 is hard to find. I have not read of anyone using N150 in the 308; this should be a very, very good powder by just guessing at the burn rate, but I don't know. When this war with Russia is over, our situation should start easing up on the supply/price of many components.
 
Has anyone ever had issues with fl sizing? I have tried on federal once fired brass and at times from stroke to stroke I will have widely varying shoulder bumps. I am a going to attempt this on my once fired alpha brass but gosh will I get upset if I ruin a bunch of once fired brass. I have a Lyman all American 8 press and I'm using the black box redding fl sizing dies.
Two things come to mind. Make sure you aren't getting any case lube on the shoulders of your brass when you go to resize. You only want lube on the sides of the case and a little on the case mouth. If you get lube on the shoulders of some pieces you will get a lot of variation on shoulder bump.
Secondly, if cases are worked hardened enough sometimes the amount of spring back will vary and you will get variation when sizing. Annealing will fix this..

Federal brass is very soft and will generally will have primer pockets get loose very quickly.
 
I haven't had any issues with shoulder bumps with my 308 Win and Federal brass. Are you using a Redding shellholder with those Redding dies? What lube are you using?

No im using an rcbs shell holder, I think at the time I couldn't find one but I'm sure it makes a difference. And I'm using imperial lube. I think I need to live the inside of the case neck better. My buddy told me it's most likely the expander ball coming back through the case neck and pulling the bump out
 
:) Federal brass isn't great, but it's adequate and I've made some very accurate loads with it. I guess it all depends on who's loading it. In any case if you are getting varying shoulder bumps the common causes are lube and or shellholder contact with die. You might consider the Redding Competition shellholder set for more consistent shoulder bump.

That's the thing I have over a thousand pieces of once fired federal brass from my chamber and every time I start processing it I get bad shoulder bumps which lead to poor trimming and it all snowballs down from an inconsistent bump.
 
No im using an rcbs shell holder, I think at the time I couldn't find one but I'm sure it makes a difference. And I'm using imperial lube. I think I need to live the inside of the case neck better. My buddy told me it's most likely the expander ball coming back through the case neck and pulling the bump out
Yup the expander ball can do that. I polish mine with JB Cleaning compound although any polishing compound will work fine. Get it to a mirror finish and measure the diameter prior to starting. You want to polish it, not change the diameter unless you want more neck tension. I think Redding also makes a carbide expander ball for around 44 bucks. That might be something to consider too. Or you can use a mandrel expander, I think i had Lyman M expander dies.
 
My loads with Federal are extremely accurate, but only last 2-3 firings at the accuracy node for 168/175s. It is darn hard to wear out Lapua brass, and it is worth every penny you pay for it. Alpha would be the same. If you anneal every fith firing on Lapua, you will be hard pressed to wear out the brass.

If you can find any Winchester brass fired in Swat rifles, typically very good due to it being fired in bolt guns. You still may have to small-base size the Winchester if you have a custom chamber.

H4895 is hard to find. I have not read of anyone using N150 in the 308; this should be a very, very good powder by just guessing at the burn rate, but I don't know. When this war with Russia is over, our situation should start easing up on the supply/price of many components.
I was in a small town in Northern Az and walked into a Pawnshop/Gunshop and they had a 4 bags of Winchester Brass, 200 total pieces, I bought all of it. Was $18.99 a bag. I've yet to use it but it was too good of a deal to pass up.
 
No im using an rcbs shell holder, I think at the time I couldn't find one but I'm sure it makes a difference. And I'm using imperial lube. I think I need to live the inside of the case neck better. My buddy told me it's most likely the expander ball coming back through the case neck and pulling the bump out
I use a lube pad and smear lube onto the pad. A little goes a long way. Roll the case on the pad and then just press the case mouth onto the pad like you would if you were dotting an eye but hold it there and turn the case a little. That will be enough for the case mouth. Be careful not to use too much lube. If you have lube coming out of the vent hole on the die or are getting case dents you have to much lube. With the right amount of lube on the case mouth you should have a smooth upstroke when your expander ball pulls back through the mouth.
 
That's the thing I have over a thousand pieces of once fired federal brass from my chamber and every time I start processing it I get bad shoulder bumps which lead to poor trimming and it all snowballs down from an inconsistent bump.
Federal can produce accurate reloads for you. You just need to toss it after a couple of firings.
 
That's the thing I have over a thousand pieces of once fired federal brass from my chamber and every time I start processing it I get bad shoulder bumps which lead to poor trimming and it all snowballs down from an inconsistent bump.
I wouldn't get too worked up over it. My 308 Win is an old PSS Gen 1 that my family got me when I returned home from the Army in 1991. It's very accurate and I love it due to the accuracy and sentimental value. Federal brass was all I shot out of it and I must have over 10k rounds through it's barrel. I tried all types of dies and finally now to make things easy I just size it in a RCBS X die. That way I don't have to trim brass anymore. You have to set up that die to cam over, but I do just a slight cam over and get around 2 thou shoulder bump. And it still makes great ammo. So don't get too worked up. This is all supposed to be fun. :)
 
I wouldn't get too worked up over it. My 308 Win is an old PSS Gen 1 that my family got me when I returned home from the Army in 1991. It's very accurate and I love it due to the accuracy and sentimental value. Federal brass was all I shot out of it and I must have over 10k rounds through it's barrel. I tried all types of dies and finally now to make things easy I just size it in a RCBS X die. That way I don't have to trim brass anymore. You have to set up that die to cam over, but I do just a slight cam over and get around 2 thou shoulder bump. And it still makes great ammo. So don't get too worked up. This is all supposed to be fun. :)
Plus 1 On the X Die. I have one in 223 and 308. Wish they made them in more calibers.

I'm also really liking my Forster shoulder bump/bushing die. It's been great for my Lapua brass in 6.5-06
 
Std Forster Neck sizers have the shoulder angle, so you can bump shoulders with their standard neck sizers.

I had a Remington 25/06 that I shot the barrel out of and never full length sized, just bumped the shoulder every firing with the Forster Neck Sizer. I was shooting 87g Speer Hot core on deer/antelope with a hot load of R#19, Win brass, Win primer, 3600 fps, 24" sporter. Accuracy was incredible with the above load. Shoulder bumping sure saves a lot of case trimming.
 
Std Forster Neck sizers have the shoulder angle, so you can bump shoulders with their standard neck sizers.

I had a Remington 25/06 that I shot the barrel out of and never full length sized, just bumped the shoulder every firing with the Forster Neck Sizer. I was shooting 87g Speer Hot core on deer/antelope with a hot load of R#19, Win brass, Win primer, 3600 fps, 24" sporter. Accuracy was incredible with the above load. Shoulder bumping sure saves a lot of case trimming.
I rarely have to shoulder bump my Lapua brass fired in my 6.5-06. Most gets neck sized only with Imperial dry lube.
 
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