.223 or 5.56 Differences, which to purchase?

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I am considering purchasing a new rifle ( for me ). It will be a bolt gun and I need to know from experienced shooters which way to go chambering wise. I have heard that the 5.56 is better because most rounds will chamber in it while the .223 is not as forgiving. All input is wanted pro or con. This will probably be a longer distance varmint rifle for back on the grasslands of the midwest.
Any recommendations on specific rifles are also welcome however I am planning an "off the shelf " purchase and will not , at this time, be building a rifle.
Thanks
Mike
 
what are you planning to use the rifle for and what bullet/ammunition do you plan to shoot?
I'm thinking prarie dogs, golden gophers, fox, coyote, badger in S Dak. Bullets will be factory ammo for a while. I reload shotshells but will be getting into reloading for this rifle and my .270 Win.
 
I have heard that the 5.56 is better because most rounds will chamber in it while the .223 is not as forgiving.
That "rule of thumb" generally applies to semi auto rifles so AR shooters can shoot both calibers. The 556 chamber has a longer throat for military use which might reduce accuracy shooting 223 thru it but it will.
The 223 Wylde chamber is an "in-between" attempt to regain the accuracy in the 223 while still allowing to safely shoot the 556. Its a better option in semi autos IMO but I dont see a need to get it in a bolt action IMO....
If you want long range precision just get a 223 bolt action and simply dont shoot 556 in it. There's lots of factory varmint loads in 223 but not so much in 556. For a varmint hunting rifle theres no need to worry about shooting the 556.
 
That "rule of thumb" generally applies to semi auto rifles so AR shooters can shoot both calibers. The 556 chamber has a longer throat for military use which might reduce accuracy shooting 223 thru it but it will.
The 223 Wylde chamber is an "in-between" attempt to regain the accuracy in the 223 while still allowing to safely shoot the 556. Its a better option in semi autos IMO but I dont see a need to get it in a bolt action IMO....
If you want long range precision just get a 223 bolt action and simply dont shoot 556 in it. There's lots of factory varmint loads in 223 but not so much in 556. For a varmint hunting rifle theres no need to worry about shooting the 556.

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The chamber is not really that much of an issue. Regular 223 chamber will be fine and you probably will be best served with a 1 in12 or 1 in 9 twist. The Wylde chamber comes into play if you want to shoot the longer heavy target bullets or 556 NATO rounds. For Varmints you don't need anything heavier than 60-69 grains and this will cover you out to 500yds easily. The 1 in 12 will shoot up to 55grain bullets and 1 in 9 should get you to 69 grain. Most bullets that you would use are 40-60grain Noslers or Hornady.

I have a Rem 700 1 in 12 Varmint that shoots 52/53 grain target bullets to <.4MOA all day to 300yds. Can easily reach 500yds. I only shoot paper and steel here.
 
I only have 5 .223's right now between bolt rifles and ARs, all are 1:8" twist, all have Wylde chambers.
The 1:8" twist allows me to use anything between 45gr and 77gr bullets.
My two favorite rifles, one AR, the other a bolt rifle, love the 52gr HPs and the 64gr bonded cores, giving groups in the .5's from both rifles.
These are my work rifles, not target rifles.
I also have a load using the 75gr AMax that will also print in the high .6's in both rifles if I need to really reach out there for a coyote.
Just my $0.02.

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That "rule of thumb" generally applies to semi auto rifles so AR shooters can shoot both calibers. The 556 chamber has a longer throat for military use which might reduce accuracy shooting 223 thru it but it will.
The 223 Wylde chamber is an "in-between" attempt to regain the accuracy in the 223 while still allowing to safely shoot the 556. Its a better option in semi autos IMO but I dont see a need to get it in a bolt action IMO....
If you want long range precision just get a 223 bolt action and simply dont shoot 556 in it. There's lots of factory varmint loads in 223 but not so much in 556. For a varmint hunting rifle theres no need to worry about shooting the 556.
Advantage of the Wylde chamber would be a somewhat longer throat than is common for the std .223, which for the mid to upper end of bullet weights will work better.

Were I going to shoot 52's/53's to 55's, then I'd go with a std .223 chamber.

Were I going to shoot 60's to 70's then I'd go with an appropriately throated std chamber or a Wylde chamber.

Finding a bolt with a Wylde chamber isn't terribly likely, while they're everywhere for an auto-loader. I believe (someone will correct me if I'm wrong) that a .223 Rem chamber can be made into a Wylde chamber simply by having a competent smith run a Wylde reamer into the barrel. Should be very much like making an Ackley Improved chamber from a std, but with even less metal removed.
The real trick will be finding a factory barrel with the appropriate twist for the heavier bullets. I suspect that to get the Wylde chamber in a barrel with the correct twist that you're looking at a custom barrel.
If you buy a Savage then changing the factory barrel with it's std chamber and twist with a Shilen prefit from https://northlandshooterssupply.com/barrels/shilen-savage-pre-fit-barrels/ is a fairly simple project for the future.

Back when it was cheep I used to shoot a lot of Norinco 5.56 in my .223 bolt. It was plinking ammo that I did police like all brass, but didn't have to worry about. Worked fine, never saw any evidence that it was dangerous.
 
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I am considering purchasing a new rifle ( for me ). It will be a bolt gun and I need to know from experienced shooters which way to go chambering wise. I have heard that the 5.56 is better because most rounds will chamber in it while the .223 is not as forgiving. All input is wanted pro or con. This will probably be a longer distance varmint rifle for back on the grasslands of the midwest.
Any recommendations on specific rifles are also welcome however I am planning an "off the shelf " purchase and will not , at this time, be building a rifle.
Thanks
Mike
Below is one of thousands of articles on 223/556/wilde chamberings. 556 chambering will accommodate 223 safely, not always the other way; wilde is a middle ground....just right compromise. . There will be arguments about accuracy which ever way you go. Buy it, shoot it, enjoy it. Beyond safety, don't over think it out the chute.....welcome to the rodeo, enjoy the ride.

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A .223 Wylde chamber is a hybrid rifle chamber designed to allow .22 caliber barrels to safely fire both .223 Remington and 5.56×45mm NATO ammunition. While the external cartridge dimensions of both rounds are the same, wall thicknesses differ, , 5.56 NATO loads produce pressures in excess of the .223 safe spec. The 5.56 chamber has angular differences that allow higher pressures safely. .223 can be fired from a 5.56 chamber safely but with reduced accuracy. The Wylde is a hybrid chamber designed to allow both ammunition types to be safely fired with good accuracy.


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Diagram of an AR type rifle showing the location of the chamber

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BackgroundEdit

In 1957, during research into development of a military .22 caliber rifle the Remington .222 Special was created by a joint effort of Fairchild Industries, Remington Arms and U.S. Continental Army Command (CONARC). Due to there being several .222 caliber cartridges under development for civilian rifles, the .222 Special was renamed to .223 Remington. The cartridge became the standard intermediate cartridge for the United States Army in 1962, as the M193 Cartridge.[1]

In 1972 Fabrique Nationale (FN) created a new type of service ammunition for NATO. It was based on the .223 Remington cartridge being used by the US Army, but had greater range and effectiveness. The first iteration of this ammunition was type designated SS109.[2]

.223 Rem cartridges can safely be fired from a 5.56 NATO chamber[1] with reduced accuracy, but not safely vice versa due to .223 Rem chambers having lower pressure ratings than the 5.56 NATO. As most rifle makers moved to support the 5.56mm NATO specification, the reduced accuracy was considered a problem.[3]

Chamber dimensionsEdit

Bill Wylde of Greenup, Illinois compared the two cartridges and changed the chamber of the rifle's barrel to a specification called the .223 Wylde chamber. The chamber is made with the external dimensions and lead angle found in the military 5.56×45mm NATO cartridge and the 0.2240 inch freebore diameter found in the civilian SAAMI .223 Remington cartridge.[4] Rifles with a .223 Wylde chamber will typically accept both .223 Remington and 5.56×45mm NATO ammunition.[4]

Note that while the .223 Remington and 5.56×45mm NATO chambers have slightly different dimension, the cartridges themselves are identical in exterior dimension.[4] The chamber dimension differences are often confused with the cartridge dimensions, and it is often erroneously thought that the cartridges have different dimensions. However, the cartridges are loaded to different pressure levels (55,000 psi vs 62,000 psi), with the 5.56 NATO being greater.[5] The .223 Wylde chamber allows the use of both pressure levels safely, while also increasing accuracy potential across the range of potential bullet selections.[3]

Wylde's hybrid chamber was designed to exploit the accuracy advantages of the .223 Remington chambering without problems concerning over pressure or compromising the functional reliability of semi-automatic firearms like the AR-15 family of rifles when using 5.56×45mm NATO military ammunition.[6] Coincidentally, it can shoot the relatively long and heavy 80-grain (5.18 g) bullets commonly used in Sport Rifle Competitions very well, and is one of the preferred chambers for that task.[7] The .223 Wylde chamber is used by rifle manufacturers who sell "National Match" configuration AR-15 rifles, barrels and upper receivers.

ComparisonEdit

The major dimensional difference between the chambers that fire the .223 Remington and the 5.56 x 45 NATO is the longer and larger-diameter "freebore" in the 5.56 chamber (0.0566" vs 0.0250" length, 0.2265 vs 0.2240 diameter). Freebore is a short and smooth section of the barrel that is located after the case mouth, but located before the start of the rifling "grooves and lands". The standard Wylde-spec chamber uses an even longer freebore length of 0.0619, to allow longer bullets (and thus heavier) to be assembled at the absolute maximum "Cartridge Over All Length" (COAL). Be aware that the freebore of a chamber can be special-ordered in a variety of lengths.

The larger diameter of the 5.56 freebore allows for continued functioning when experiencing minor fouling of gunpowder residue build-up, which is essential for the rapid firing of high volumes of ammunition in combat.

The .223 Remington cartridge is currently manufactured to be used as a single-shot in a bolt-action rifle, so the .223 chamber benefits from a slightly tighter dimension in several places, compared to the 5.56 NATO. The slightly "looser fit" in the military 5.56 chamber increases operational reliability during rapid cartridge insertion and extraction. This is of special interest when taking into consideration any minor manufacturing variances in the ammunition, and also minor case dents acquired during transportation during combat. This cycling reliability is of intense concern when using the 5.56 NATO cartridge in a light machine gun, such as the M249, as well as the general-purpose M4 combat rifle.

However, the larger-diameter 5.56 freebore can occasionally have a minor detrimental effect on accuracy on any given random shot, when using the standard combat 62gr M855 cartridge. The .223 Wylde-spec chamber uses the slightly looser 5.56 NATO chamber dimensions around the case for cycling reliability in a semi-auto firearm, along with the tighter freebore of the .223 Remington for a more consistent accuracy.

It has been commonly stated that a 5.56 chamber can fire a .223 cartridge without concern, but firing a 5.56 cartridge in a .223 chamber is ill-advised. To further clarify, a given .223 Remington-chambered rifle may be able to safely handle the elevated chamber pressures of a 5.56 NATO cartridge, but they are not required to be manufactured to do so. All ".223 Wylde" marked barrels are required to meet the higher pressure standard.

ReferencesEdit

^ a b Barnes, Frank C. (19 December 2014). Cartridges of the World: A Complete and Illustrated Reference for Over 1500 Cartridges. Iola, Wisconsin: "F+W Media, Inc.". p. 88. ISBN 978-1-4402-4265-6.

^ Walter, John (25 March 2006). Rifles of the World. Iola, Wisconsin: Krause Publications. p. 124. ISBN 0-89689-241-7.

^ a b Sweeney, Patrick (23 February 2010). Gunsmithing - The AR-15. Iola, Wisconsin: Gun Digest Books. pp. 49, 139. ISBN 1-4402-1457-3.

^ a b c Fitzpatrick, Brad (29 October 2015). "Clearing the Caliber Confusion: .223 Wylde vs. 5.56 NATO". AWC.

^ McAdams, John (12 May 2014). "The dangers of mixing up 5.56×45mm NATO and .223 Remington rounds". Multi Briefs.

^ Muramatsu, Kevin (21 November 2014). Gun Digest Guide to Customizing Your AR-15. Iola, Wisconsin: "F+W Media, Inc.". p. 231. ISBN 978-1-4402-4279-3.

^ Wormley, Stanton (14 August 2014). "The AR-15 for Home Defense: Reliability". American Rifleman.

External linksEdit

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I am considering purchasing a new rifle ( for me ). It will be a bolt gun and I need to know from experienced shooters which way to go chambering wise. I have heard that the 5.56 is better because most rounds will chamber in it while the .223 is not as forgiving. All input is wanted pro or con. This will probably be a longer distance varmint rifle for back on the grasslands of the midwest.
Any recommendations on specific rifles are also welcome however I am planning an "off the shelf " purchase and will not , at this time, be building a rifle.
Thanks
Mike
See if you can find a off the shelf rifle that has a .223 wylde barrel which is designed to accommodate both .223 and 5.56 round. I have built a rifle with a 20 inch fluted barrel on an AR 15 platform but do not know if that barrel is available in a bolt action rifle configuration
 
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