ok help me out here. I have never been a big fan of the bergers because everyone I know who has used them has had problems with them But with my new sendero I wanted to keep and open mind and try them. loaded up several with differant lenghts and powder combos ect, and headed out nothing shot better then my accubond load. then I shot a group with 63 gr of 4831sc 20 thou from the lands slighly larger than one hole. No way I thought so I shot another group, One hole i loaded 40 more and back out to the desert. Shot great out to 500 yards. Compared my drop numbers to BC program and come up around 2750 fps I really like to be faster than that. My problem I have is allmost every load I see people here using is over max according to the chart berger sent me. Are there alot of people running excessivly hot lots or is bergers chart conservative?