Hunting Rifle: Anyone Else Have No Desire for a Silencer?

NotLongRange said:

Tell me where it is common. I live and work in Wyoming and have done so for over 50 years..

Exactly zero people I know have taken a shot approaching 1000 yards and I know many, many people who hunt elk every year.

So I would like to know where 1K shots are frequent.

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Well just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it's not true. Wyoming isn't the rest of the west sir, 600 yards is a chip shot and may be your limit for a reason. Its also your experience not others. Some places 600+ yards is exceedingly common. 1000 is not out of the question. People do it all the time...supressed and unsuppressed

I'll just leave it at that...

southpa said:

Well just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it's not true. Wyoming isn't the rest of the west sir, 600 yards is a chip shot and may be your limit for a reason. Its also your experience not others. Some places 600+ yards is exceedingly common. 1000 is not out of the question. People do it all the time...supressed and unsuppressed

I'll just leave it at that...

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You didn't answer the question. Where is it common?

NotLongRange said:

You didn't answer the question. Where is it common?

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All over the place. This is not an honest question because it has your biased built in. I, along with many others, have encountered 1000 yards in multiple states across the west. What's astonishing is your angts about it, given the forum you're posting on...I guess your handle makes sense...

Shots can easily exceed 1000 yards all across the west, they do and they will. Regardless of your biased.

Back to the OP...

Sure! All over the place! Pffft…give me a break. I've hunted elk enough to know better than that.

Simple statistics tell the story - there is less than a 1% chance a person will even be presented with a 1000 yard shot on elk, let alone someone actually taking and completing the shot successfully.

If you are carrying around a rifle that is capable of making that shot on elk, chances are you will never have the opportunity at that shot in your lifetime - that is the cold, hard truth.

You would be much better served to be proficient with shots under 500 yards. You have a much better chance of actually spotting an elk at that range and making the shot.

NotLongRange said:

Sure! All over the place! Pffft…give me a break. I've hunted elk enough to know better than that.

Simple statistics tell the story - there is less than a 1% chance a person will even be presented with a 1000 yard shot on elk, let alone someone actually taking and completing the shot successfully.

If you are carrying around a rifle that is capable of making that shot on elk, chances are you will never have the opportunity at that shot in your lifetime - that is the cold, hard truth.

You would be much better served to be proficient with shots under 500 yards. You have a much better chance of actually spotting an elk at that range and making the shot.

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You're grasping sir. People prove you ridiculously incorrect all the time. Seent it myself...

I can't do it and would never attempt it, therefore nobody can or should....

Ignorance is bliss.

Ok - where have you seen it? Tell me the state, the hunting area, and the situation.

Television doesn't count…I want to hear YOUR PERSONAL hunting experience taking an elk at 1000+ yards.

NotLongRange said:

Ok - where have you seen it? Tell me the state, the hunting area, and the situation.

Television doesn't count…I want to hear YOUR PERSONAL hunting experience taking an elk at 1000+ yards.

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I would never tell you my hunting areas you're a stranger. Plus it appears you wouldnt make it to where we like to hunt. This argument is laughable a best. I step out of my tent and see elk at over 1000 yards EVERY SINGLE SEASON, along with thousands if not hundreds of thousands of hunters. Some of those hunters shoot elk at over 1000 yards every year. This is not arguable. If you care to continue this PM me.

P.S. If it happens on TV it still happens, strawman!

Yes…yes…of course. Picking them off at a grand every day.

Whatever….

Your handle spells out your argumentative spin on the thread. "NotLongRange"! Just saying!!

But now the OPs thread is completely run off the tracks as this is a completely different topic deserving of a separate thread as this has nothing to do with the OPs question.

Simple question he asked.

My answer is, NO!

This is hilarious. I ranch just off the north edge of the Hill County and I can take 600 yard shots at whitetail if I want to, even down here in the chopped up, mismanaged, micro-homestead environment of North Texas. I just about have to take those shots at 'yotes because they won't come in closer anymore. Just taking random hiking trips in the summer in CO and I'll see elk anywhere from 300 to 2500+ yards. As many sheep, too. Got a look at a MOOSE lounging in a pond last summer by the Mt Bierstadt trail, one of what wildlife scientists assure me is a population of less than 3,000 mature animals in the entire state. So either I'm a magician seeing a super rare animal at a range you've never dreamed of, or the real reason you've never seen a shot past 600 yards is you simply haven't looked.

The answer to shorter-barrels-for-suppressors is a bigger case. If 50-150 FPS are the absolute end all, be all of hit-or-miss for you, step up a level. 7 TCU, 7-08, 280 AI, 7 Rem Mag, 7 RUM, 7-300 NMI, and I'm sure someone has put a .284 bullet into a full-sized 338 Lapua case by now. Every option exists for just about everything at this point. Most shooters are way over-gunned anyways, anything bigger than a 30-06 is entering 'want' territory over 'need' unless what you're shooting at might try to eat you. I won't ever judge anyone for shooing a 'want', except when they try to use that to justify someone else not being as over-gunned as they are if they chop the barrel for a can.

I would struggle to tolerate anyone complaining that a suppressed 7 Rem Mag with a barrel cut to 280 AI equivalent muzzle velocity is somehow undergunned unless they lay out the exact case of why the 280 AI wouldn't work int he first place. If they laid out that case, then I would say either 1) sure, don't use a can, 2) try a CF barrel there buddy, or 3) have you ever heard of the 7-300 NMI... cause it'll change your life

I just changed my daily poodle shooter from a 6CM to a 25 CM, simple reasoning was the 25CM I bought is lighter and has a shorter barrel, and the ballistic differences are so negligible as to be ignored where I shoot.

Here's some thoughts in the link with some of mine. The link happens to be from a silencer manufacturer/marketer. Every loud sound matters. Lawn mower, chain saw, weed whacker, grinder, 22LR, did you ever go to a sanctioned drag race, or shoot doves without hearing protection, every loud sound matters. 85 decibels is simply a guarantee you will have a certain amount of hearing loss.

I have some Walker muffs that work for everything and cheaper too..

Ya me too. I've used electronic earmuffs for years. The first the I noticed was the shot echo but I'm not able to hear that now. They get sweaty and uncomfortable to wear all day hunting. Plus they do nothing about bone conductance.

I treasure what hearing I have and I will use whatever is necessary to preserve what's left.

The Hock said:

Ya me too. I've used electronic earmuffs for years. The first the I noticed was the shot echo but I'm not able to hear that now. They get sweaty and uncomfortable to wear all day hunting. Plus they do nothing about bone conductance.

I treasure what hearing I have and I will use whatever is necessary to preserve what's left.

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I use plugs and muffs at the range and plugs in the field for the 1 or 2 shots a year I take...my hearing has not suffered in decades from this. There has been no traceable/discernable degradation in my hearing using this method. Regardless of others claiming I should spend inordinate amounts of money on supressors, they are in fact a non factor for my hearing protection.

If others results are different that's ok but I'd question their commitment to actually protecting hearing vs. the desire to buy supressors. Generally, people don't actually put the necessary effort in to protect their hearing. This is because it's much easier to have a supressor as a fall back than put in the minimal effort to protect your hearing. This notion applies to MANY more things in today's world than just supressors. Spending money for ease of use is today's way of life and people tend to scoff at those who do not follow this new age principle.