Two years in - how good can one get?

Sounds like you have done your homework, and well on your way to being proficient at your defined range limit of 600 yards. The challenge increases non-linearly as range increases beyond 600 yards, as does the definition of good. I think that "How good" applied to LRH has a fairly wide berth of definition….with range being a major element. Adding the variables of distance, wind/environmental, terrain/shooting position, and game species/behavior, etc, will all add to to the skill set. This has been the appeal of LR shooting and hunting for me. You are always learning and getting better. It doesn't mean one has extend their maximum distance limit for shooting game, but overall proficiency increases, and shooting the shorter distances becomes easier..You get better.
Just my viewpoint, but I think that's the difference between "good enough" and "really good".
 
Consistently .25 MOA(1.5") at 600 is very impressive.
Don't change a thing.
I only have one rifle that is capable of that accuracy at 100 yards, a 6 GT, on a (Realy) good day I can do better. But if the OP can shoot like that with his large caliber rifles as well as the small that is quite the feat. Congratulations!
 
If you want to see "how good can one get" on the 600 yard line, here are some of the best ever.


I don't think they have anything to worry about from me. But, dang that is interesting stuff.
 
I guess I'm confused what this post is about. Is it to tell everybody that you have it all figured out….or something else?

It really isn't clear to me what you have accomplished or are trying to accomplish.

Are you shooting 1.5" 20 shot groups at 600 yards or 2-3 shots? That is a starting point. Are these off some concrete bench and $4000 100lb rest or shot on a bipod and rear bag? How is your hunting weight tripod accuracy?

How does this look in 4-17 mph winds that vary in force and direction?

What do you want to do next? What are you struggling with?
Last question first, I am not "struggling" with anything. I have zero interest in competitive shooting. I only shoot for myself, and generally have only every shot with two other individuals. I was only looking for informative comments. As far as groups, I think I said in my original post my groups are either 3 shot or 5 shot groups. I have never tried larger groups like are noted in your comment and the information another member provided.

My shots are off a rear bag and tripod. No $4,000 100 pound rest - don't even know what that is. Well I don't recon I have ever shot in 17 mph wind nor will I. If it is that windy I am not shooting at targets or game. I have shot 7-8 mph winds and that is not as accurate as no wind or 2-3 mph. I use a Kestrel and find it most helpful.
 
600 to 1000 yards - beyond that I call extreme long range.
Adding to this and what I thought I said earlier. The majority of the time I shoot at 600 yards because I only have to walk out 50 yards from the front porch of my farm house in Ohio and shoot a 700 yard range I have set up.

I do shoot at 1000 as well, but it is far less often as I have to drive a bit to do that.
 
The challenge increases non-linearly as range increases beyond 600 yards
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In my infancy of LR shooting, I had a 338 lapua that shot 1" groups at 500 yards.
I remember well, the conversation I had with Paul "eddybo" Guy.
I told him that if it shot a 1" at 500 it should shoot a 3" at 1500. Math is math, right!
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Boy howdy I've learned a lot since then. And still don't no nuthin!
 
I'm impressed, you have spent a lot of time and $$$$ in this, and its paid off. I'd love to have a 600 yard range behind my home. You are very blessed with this. Keep it up.
The only place I can shoot any distance is friends farm 35 miles away, and it only 435 yards, or go to the CMP range in Talladega, it's boring on the computer targets, but they also have a steel plate range. But its a govt operation and regulated to death, plus $$$ .
 
Who said anything about walking around?
Those of us who hunt long range in the east, and especially in PA, dont do any walking around at all, as in NONE.
And those of us who also hunt in the west, do it the same way as we do it back east.
And we dont carry picks, shovels, and chainsaws with us while hunting.
Thats what we do during the off season.
Especially on days when most are watching the super bowl, or sobering up from New Years eve.
You can keep your backpack and bipods, they are only ok for prairie dogs, but not serious shooting.
My backpack is only used for carrying a very large and very good set of binoculars and the tripod.
One guy will carry the only gun we need, and another will carry the 25 lb bench we use slung over his shoulder for the short walk to the hunting location from our vehicle.
Sometimes the walk could be as much as 1/4 mile, other times maybe 50 feet, or it could also be 100 feet or so right above where our vehicle is parked. And when we get there we stay there, unless conditions like sun angle causes us to move.
So we hunt by using our eyes, not our feet.
Fact is that you dont know what the hell your talking about where it pertains to long range hunting.
And your not alone.
Amen. It is short range hunting for me from a drag-out perspective. The last deer I shot was a heavy-bodied 6-pointer from about 60-yards in the woods. The bullet apparently hit a branch and deflected, expanded but still hit the deer which ran 50-yards (mercifully towards our car before dying). I gutted it and my hunting buddy and I about killed ourselves in our 7-th decade of life pulling it out a hundred yards with each of us holding a handy antler. I am the only guy in the world (with having been a rock-climber wanna-be) carries 250-yards of rope in my truck. The battery in the winch controller chose not to work and we communicated by phone as I pulled out the deer with the truck the last hundred+ yards. Going miles into the woods and carting out of hundreds of pounds of meat is beyond comprehension.
 

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I'm impressed, you have spent a lot of time and $$$$ in this, and its paid off. I'd love to have a 600 yard range behind my home. You are very blessed with this. Keep it up.
The only place I can shoot any distance is friends farm 35 miles away, and it only 435 yards, or go to the CMP range in Talladega, it's boring on the computer targets, but they also have a steel plate range. But its a govt operation and regulated to death, plus $$$ .
I am lucky, being a member of gun clubs with 600-yards ranges and now a commercial operation with 1290-yards.
 
Amen. It is short range hunting for me from a drag-out perspective. The last deer I shot was a heavy-bodied 6-pointer from about 60-yards in the woods. The bullet apparently hit a branch and deflected, expanded but still hit the deer which ran 50-yards (mercifully towards our car before dying). I gutted it and my hunting buddy and I about killed ourselves in our 7-th decade of life pulling it out a hundred yards with each of us holding a handy antler. I am the only guy in the world (with having been a rock-climber wanna-be) carries 250-yards of rope in my truck. The battery in the winch controller chose not to work and we communicated by phone as I pulled out the deer with the truck the last hundred+ yards. Going miles into the woods and carting out of hundreds of pounds of meat is beyond comprehension.
Way back when I could get a 180 pound deer across my shoulders and carry it a 1/4 mile or more. Kinda had to or I'd be late for the home room bell. You could only have 5 tardies. So it was get to school on time or just cut for the rest of the day, go do teenager stuff (drink beer) or go back deer hunting and avoid the tardy slip. I'm not dragging a deer 10 ft. now. Those days are long gone.
 
Last question first, I am not "struggling" with anything. I have zero interest in competitive shooting. I only shoot for myself, and generally have only every shot with two other individuals. I was only looking for informative comments. As far as groups, I think I said in my original post my groups are either 3 shot or 5 shot groups. I have never tried larger groups like are noted in your comment and the information another member provided.

My shots are off a rear bag and tripod. No $4,000 100 pound rest - don't even know what that is. Well I don't recon I have ever shot in 17 mph wind nor will I. If it is that windy I am not shooting at targets or game. I have shot 7-8 mph winds and that is not as accurate as no wind or 2-3 mph. I use a Kestrel and find it most helpful.
My goals are much like yours. I have no interest in competition shooting. The goal for me is reducing pressure on crops which means reducing our deer numbers. In daytime I may need to be able to kill these deer out to 900-1000 yards. That may be while resting the rifle on the hood of the truck. Or from a prepared blind with table, rear bag, front rest, and most importantly SHADE! Wind conditions need to be fairly good for me to do that or I'll just pass on that day. No big deal. There's always tomorrow. I can shoot at a friends farm out to 1300 yards and I do, just not as often as I'd like. I shoot off of a tripod a lot so I practice it a lot. But I've found a problem there for me. My effective range is reduced quite a bit with the tripod. Its do to an old injury and the spasms I have as a result. I shoot a lot of hogs off the tripod at night. I'm aware of the issues I have with the tripod so I work around those as best as I can.

Your shooting off of a bag and standard front rest with the size rifles you are using is in my opinion very good. I think the important thing here is that you are good enough to accomplish your goals. If you are, it really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. In reading your posts though, I imagine that you are going to keep practicing enough to become even more proficient and raise the bar. Keep it up!
 
Amen. It is short range hunting for me from a drag-out perspective. The last deer I shot was a heavy-bodied 6-pointer from about 60-yards in the woods. The bullet apparently hit a branch and deflected, expanded but still hit the deer which ran 50-yards (mercifully towards our car before dying). I gutted it and my hunting buddy and I about killed ourselves in our 7-th decade of life pulling it out a hundred yards with each of us holding a handy antler. I am the only guy in the world (with having been a rock-climber wanna-be) carries 250-yards of rope in my truck. The battery in the winch controller chose not to work and we communicated by phone as I pulled out the deer with the truck the last hundred+ yards. Going miles into the woods and carting out of hundreds of pounds of meat is beyond comprehension.
Well the subject of how we get them out never comes up here does it?
Maybe because it isnt considered to be as important as the type of scope you use. lol
But those of us who shoot from ridge to ridge know differently.
First you have to go down the side of the ridge your glassing from. Then probably cross a fast moving stream in the valley.
Then up the side the deer is located, and drag it down to the bottom where the stream is.
And thats the easy part, because now you drag it uphill to where you shot, and where your vehicle might be parked, but maybe not.
There are options however, one would be a device called a chain saw winch, where a chain saw engine is coupled to a special type of winch. It requires a special type of rope, not just any rope.
And they are a bit pricey.
But they work, even for large animals like Elk.
And there is another option, the one we use, as do others we know.
Its a product called Mule Tape, designed for pulling things thru underground conduit, or overhead electric cable from pole to pole.
It comes in different sizes as for breaking strength.
The smallest size being 1800 pound, and the next being 2800 pounds.
We have pulled three bucks at the same time up a very steep hillside at a power line location with the tape wrapped around the bumper of my Jeep with the 1800 pound tape.
They need to be tied in a single file order, not in one bunch.
And it needs to be a direct pull, not around a tree.
For going around trees you need a strap with a pulley for the tape to run thru. Otherwise it will stretch like a rubber band and break.
I keep it on a garden hose reel, just grab the end and take it with you as you go.
Then wind it back on.
Keep your eyes open for linemen, both electric company and phone company.
They will often give you what you need if you ask.
And you can tie several pieces together, or back together should it get damaged.
And i should add, that its best to drag them backwards, with the tape thru the hocks on the back legs.
 
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