Shake up at "Best of The West"

Willys46, so If you lose the right to sell your 'zx3 computer' because those "rights" to that product are in someone elses hands.

and you then begin to sell and service 'db5 computers' which happen to be a better product and you feel good about saying that, and selling a better product.
All of your previous and any future customers should ignore you and your product because of your past history selling Huske... I mean 'zx3 computers'?

I predict the G-7 NXS will out sell the Huskemaw3-1 in the next 3 years, If they NF can supply them fast enough.

I got the first 3 in Monday, very nice.
 
Coyboy said:
Willys46, so If you lose the right to sell your 'zx3 computer' because those "rights" to that product are in someone elses hands.

and you then begin to sell and service 'db5 computers' which happen to be a better product and you feel good about saying that, and selling a better product.
All of your previous and any future customers should ignore you and your product because of your past history selling Huske... I mean 'zx3 computers'?

I predict the G-7 NXS will out sell the Huskemaw3-1 in the next 3 years, If they NF can supply them fast enough.

I got the first 3 in Monday, very nice.
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I agree the new G7 is probably a better scope, no question about that..but yes if you were in my office selling me your zx3 computer and telling how great it was and how that is what I should buy, then show up the next day telling me the Db5 is better, you lose credibility. Is the db5 better? Probably so, so yesterday you knowingly wanted me to buy the crapy zx3. That is credibility.

I have no dog in the fight, I will continue to Shoot my Night force because I feel it is the best bang for the buck. But if I would have bought into what he was selling I would have a huske..i mean a

If you have three coming then you are obviously a huge FAN, good for you, but imagine if he started selling USO tomorrow and your New g7 is crap. Just sayin.

Please do not take what I am saying personally ,it is the life a sales guy. You have to make the decision on what is the best for you at the time. He is selling a best product now, but if you were an inexperenced guy that bought the husk on his word, then I could see him being a little ****ed.
 
ccc1970 said:
Gunwerks: So what your saying is the scope you have been promoting for the last few years is now second best? WTH! I have a huskemaw scope and am a little more that disgruntled at the fact that you guys promoted this scope as the end all be all and now you are jumping ship and heading another direction. To me that is a travesty. Thanks for getting us to spend over 1300 bucks for a scope that is maybe not what all the hype was. Thanks for letting us down. I know i will not purchase another huskemaw, and i will not purchase a G7, it will be a nightforce from the parent company, not one built to your specs and will put money in your pocket. Anyone else feel a bit betrayed or is it just me?
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...guy down the street has a 1400.00 scope on his rifle. I guess it's "better" than your Huskemaw.

But heck I'm shooting 600yrds with my 3-9x40 Tasco...
 
In response to CCC1970's comment - " Do others feel betrayed?"

IT's EVOLUTION !!!

The .30-30 Win.
.30-40 Krag-Jorgensen
.30-06 Springfield
.300 H&H Magnum
.300 Weatherby Magnum
.300 Rem. Ultra Mag
.30-378 Weatherby
On and on...

Each was the best at the time , but was soon replaced by another product that did a bit better.

Your HUSKEMAW scope is no worse now than when you purchased it.
The NIGHTFORCE G7 is 70% more EXPENSIVE !

If you are so dis-satisfied with your HUSKEMAW that you want to get rid of it for .50cents on the dollar , providing that it is not damaged , contact me , I'd probably be interested.

DMP25-06
 
I see what he's saying too. I don't really see what the G7 does that the Huskemaw doesn't. They preached this thing and now they leave it. They were so proud of the Huskemaw 1/3 MOA clicks, but the G7 has 1/4 clicks. I think its safe to say that "GUNWERKS" was not as well known before it was all over BOTW. I just hope that now the BOTW guys will use some different rifles since they shouldn't be tethered to ones made by Gunwerks. Not complaining quite as bad as ccc, but I understand.
 
Willys46 said:
I agree the new G7 is probably a better scope, no question about that..but yes if you were in my office selling me your zx3 computer and telling how great it was and how that is what I should buy, then show up the next day telling me the Db5 is better, you lose credibility. Is the db5 better? Probably so, so yesterday you knowingly wanted me to buy the crapy zx3. That is credibility.

I have no dog in the fight, I will continue to Shoot my Night force because I feel it is the best bang for the buck. But if I would have bought into what he was selling I would have a huske..i mean a

If you have three coming then you are obviously a huge FAN, good for you, but imagine if he started selling USO tomorrow and your New g7 is crap. Just sayin.

Please do not take what I am saying personally ,it is the life a sales guy. You have to make the decision on what is the best for you at the time. He is selling a best product now, but if you were an inexperenced guy that bought the husk on his word, then I could see him being a little ****ed.
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Well then, don't buy them from Gunwerks buy them from Me. I never sold the Huskies but I'm selling the G-7.
 
why the original 1/3 moa clicks were special and how it evolved to 1/4 moa on the G-7

1/3 MOA clicks on the Husky were part of the design problem of putting 20 moa of elevation on one rotation. The more clicks in one revolution the finer the detent/cogs in the wheel so to speak in the internals of that turret. Putting 1/4 clicks on that scope may have caused expensive problems for manf. Thus it had to be the best at the time.

Funny that NF anounces a new "Fast Turret" with 20 moa and 1/4 min clicks about 1 year ago, and today the only one I have seen on the market and available is on a G-7 scope. New Technology that someone took advantage of overnight? I don't think so. This change didn't happen overnight and to say 3 or 6 months ago that Aaron was activly promoting Husky would be misleading. Since he has been away from BOTW for at least 10 months and BOTW holds the rights to Husky.

I think predicting inovations, causing someone to bypass buying a product, to hold off for the best, may wait his whole lifetime for nothing.

Thats why I still drive the 02 f-150. Waiting for that V-6 diesel with 350 HP that gets 42 MPG.
 
Good Luck on that V6 diesel, Jim. I am waiting till they get the bugs out of the Ford built diesel, to buy one. I have wore out a few diesels and the 6.o is not very good.

I have 2 oof the Huskema scopes, and like them good. Got one on a .25 WSSM with a turret out to 800 yards, and the other is going to go on a 7STW, when I get done putting it together.
 
I think what gunwerks is doing is great. Its a cut throat world out there and if you dont contiue to go bigger and better then you wont make it long. I am a owner of a 3rd generation small business and know how it is. With all that being said I just ordered a LR1000 in 7MM LRM rifle from Gunwerks with the new G7 scope. I just had twins so I had to make a decision. Do I want to spend my extra time (what little time I do have any more) working up loads, reloading, shooting, developing drop data ETC ETC. I decided to go with the gunwerks system that is ready to go. Now I can spend all of my extra time shooting and hunting. I think they have a great system. It is expensive but if you figure the time and supplies it would take to get any rifle there its not that bad. I cant wait to get my rifle. Thanks Aaron for the great product. Joel
 
How do you get to see the G7 product. At gunwerks site it showed a calculater, and when I googled G7 , I found zero? Is it on nightforce site
 
Guys....I may be all wet here.....you can even call me a 'dumb arse'....won't bother me a bit but here's my take on the issue being discussed! Lord knows....I'm a CAPITALIST to the 'inth' degree so I'm not opposed to new products being marketed. If not so.....I'd probably still be driving a 1950 Ford truck with no 4x4 capability and still stuffing newspaper down into my old rubber boots trying to keep my feet warm on those freezing days I hunted; were no insulated boots back then other than what was called "Mickey Mouse' boots that were worn by our military up in Alaska! Man...were those things a PITA to wear!

I have several NF scopes available to me.....5.5x22x56MM types. All rifles have Picatinny rails attached, 20 MOA they are. IMO.....it's a simple matter to attain zeros, first a foundation zero which I always set at 200 yards and I then rotate the elevation turrent and set to '0'! From there I attain zeros out to ever how far I wish to shoot....and I can shoot back to 1600 yards here on my home range.....and farther if necessary! I keep a DATA BOOK of zeros recording temps and BP and it's a simple matter once the range is known.....oft times in the field determined by a Leica range-finder to twist the elevation knob to the right setting for the range determined. With over 50 years of competitive shooting under my belt, a whole helluva lot of it done from prone position using a sling in NRA competitions....I have learned how to read the wind quite well out to 1000 yards and sometimes even farther when I was 'rock busting' out on the Ft. Carson, Colorado military base back in 1962. Now that this date has been given....you've now figured out that I'm what you 'kids' call an old phart!! But....my eyes are still excellent and I can still shoot....thousands of rounds a year matter of fact! What I'm getting to here is that quite often I think the 'younger set' gets caught in the trap of being, not falsely informed possibly....but maybe misinformed about some new gadget that is going to make them INSTANT HIGHMASTER LONG RANGE SHOOTERS.....and that guys....ain't gonna happen! It takes many hours and trigger pulls to become highly efficient at LR shooting in spite of what you'll read or what you may be told! Sure....I've got a 12 year old granddaughter that I can set the rifle up for her to shoot at 1000 yards and she has the 'motor skills' to lay down using a bipod and she would be able to plunk the rounds into the center of the X ring but as far as her understanding and knowing about ballistics and reading the wind.....she wouldn't do to well without granddads knowledge! She will learn....as well as my 3 grandsons but that will take time!

In conclusion....there are many variables involved in the 'art' of LR shooting and they won't be learned overnight. All rifles are different, barrel harmonics, barrel contours, type of rifling, bullet selection, rates of twist, etc. all make it a game of serious selection and this diatribe of mine does not even include the issues of proficient reloading and testing procedures!

At any rate....the NF products are #1 IMO and worth the $$$$ spent! They are consistent in return to zero and highly consistent when changing from one distance to another!

I wish whomever well!!
 

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