Baker Alvin
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It's sad how both sides can draw lines, establish allegiances, attack and dehumanize the other... and see no fault in it.
Yet the facts do stand on their own for those with the slightest bit of discernment.
High fence hunts are a lower class of hunt. Fact. If the animal can't get away, and can essentially be chased around a big cage... then there's nothing about that which is on the same playing field as a hunt in the open. That's not even available for debate.
What we do matters. Notice how it's always the people engaging in the "lesser" forms of any activity that complain about being looked down at? They get mad if everyone doesn't validate their actions. They are the ones saying how arrogant, sanctimonious, and elitist those of us that hold ourselves to a higher standard are. Those pursuing lesser forms are always trying to justify their lesser behaviors. They want to be made to feel good while doing it. Yet there's no reason for them to have the same good feelings as someone gets from a true wild hunt, whether private or public. They are choosing to deny themselves that the very moment they decide to shoot a pen raised animal.
Lucky for them, the vast majority of the population is on their side. Most want everything easy and they want the same recognition as if it were hard. Still, for those hunting high fence that don't try to justify it, and categorize it properly as lesser... there's nothing wrong with that. Especially if that's the only hunting they have access to. There's lots of reasons why the deer farm thing might be the only thing people can do, and those reasons are getting more plentiful every day.
As per usual, the only problem is when those hunting high fence think what they are doing is in the same category as those hunting the wilds. It isn't, and if someone insists that an untruth is truth, there will be, is, and should be a problem.
...and you can count me as another one that has noticed lots and lots of threads on this forum turning into a hammer bullet threads somehow, when they shouldn't. Though how fortunate they must feel to have cultivated a following such as they have. Yet are we really not going to acknowledge that this thread literally is a hammer bullets thread, started by hammer bullets? If there's one place that the discussion of hammer bullets should be expected, is on a thread started by them. So I think this is probably not the proper place to admonish that, though there is no shortage of other threads where it would be quite fitting.
On the topic of the deer in question... at least it was a mature animal, which is more than I can say of most of the "trophys" I see posted on this site showing 1.5-3.5yr old animals getting blasted by the same guys every single year. Also, it goes without saying the critter could likely have been killed by literally any implement, including a pan fired musket. Personally, shooting big horn out of an enclosure has no value to me. I also will refuse to place any value or accolades on anyone else doing it unless extenuating circumstances are present. Something like a wounded veteran hunt, for instance. There are other circumstances that would make the hunt worthy as well. Enclosures that are tens of thousands of acres in size... that too starts to approach the "wild" hunt status... especially if everyone that hunts the huge pen only hunts the middle and doesn't use the artificial border zones at all.
That's the beauty of it: I can make my own judgement and no one else gets to have a say. When someone is unworthy of my praise, they can claim the contrary all they like... it won't move me. I carry a very high standard, and I expect to be held to the same.
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Yet the facts do stand on their own for those with the slightest bit of discernment.
High fence hunts are a lower class of hunt. Fact. If the animal can't get away, and can essentially be chased around a big cage... then there's nothing about that which is on the same playing field as a hunt in the open. That's not even available for debate.
What we do matters. Notice how it's always the people engaging in the "lesser" forms of any activity that complain about being looked down at? They get mad if everyone doesn't validate their actions. They are the ones saying how arrogant, sanctimonious, and elitist those of us that hold ourselves to a higher standard are. Those pursuing lesser forms are always trying to justify their lesser behaviors. They want to be made to feel good while doing it. Yet there's no reason for them to have the same good feelings as someone gets from a true wild hunt, whether private or public. They are choosing to deny themselves that the very moment they decide to shoot a pen raised animal.
Lucky for them, the vast majority of the population is on their side. Most want everything easy and they want the same recognition as if it were hard. Still, for those hunting high fence that don't try to justify it, and categorize it properly as lesser... there's nothing wrong with that. Especially if that's the only hunting they have access to. There's lots of reasons why the deer farm thing might be the only thing people can do, and those reasons are getting more plentiful every day.
As per usual, the only problem is when those hunting high fence think what they are doing is in the same category as those hunting the wilds. It isn't, and if someone insists that an untruth is truth, there will be, is, and should be a problem.
...and you can count me as another one that has noticed lots and lots of threads on this forum turning into a hammer bullet threads somehow, when they shouldn't. Though how fortunate they must feel to have cultivated a following such as they have. Yet are we really not going to acknowledge that this thread literally is a hammer bullets thread, started by hammer bullets? If there's one place that the discussion of hammer bullets should be expected, is on a thread started by them. So I think this is probably not the proper place to admonish that, though there is no shortage of other threads where it would be quite fitting.
On the topic of the deer in question... at least it was a mature animal, which is more than I can say of most of the "trophys" I see posted on this site showing 1.5-3.5yr old animals getting blasted by the same guys every single year. Also, it goes without saying the critter could likely have been killed by literally any implement, including a pan fired musket. Personally, shooting big horn out of an enclosure has no value to me. I also will refuse to place any value or accolades on anyone else doing it unless extenuating circumstances are present. Something like a wounded veteran hunt, for instance. There are other circumstances that would make the hunt worthy as well. Enclosures that are tens of thousands of acres in size... that too starts to approach the "wild" hunt status... especially if everyone that hunts the huge pen only hunts the middle and doesn't use the artificial border zones at all.
That's the beauty of it: I can make my own judgement and no one else gets to have a say. When someone is unworthy of my praise, they can claim the contrary all they like... it won't move me. I carry a very high standard, and I expect to be held to the same.
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BillLarson
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Then why do official scorers not accept it....????
This is America and people are free to do mostly what they want and how they wish to live. So live and let live. Without all the snide remarks and opinions while looking down your noses at someone that does it different !
case in point i bought vacant land , cut trees , milled them myself , built a post and beam house not one piece of sheetrock or homedepot fir went into it . 1st yr was logging and milling. 2nd yr was timber framimg it and finishing the inside during the 3 rd yr.
this statement " all you guys that just find a Real-estate company and buy a house complete and move in are cheating and have a boughten house ."
is that fair ?
i have never looked down my nose to anyone that has bought they're own house
it just HAPPENS to be HOW they did it !
America ! Lets stay civil and polite and more excepting to others way of hunting .
i know alot of assholes that think any shot passed 200 yrds isnt hunting ! Im sure you all know someone with the same ideals.
case in point i bought vacant land , cut trees , milled them myself , built a post and beam house not one piece of sheetrock or homedepot fir went into it . 1st yr was logging and milling. 2nd yr was timber framimg it and finishing the inside during the 3 rd yr.
this statement " all you guys that just find a Real-estate company and buy a house complete and move in are cheating and have a boughten house ."
is that fair ?
i have never looked down my nose to anyone that has bought they're own house
it just HAPPENS to be HOW they did it !
America ! Lets stay civil and polite and more excepting to others way of hunting .
i know alot of assholes that think any shot passed 200 yrds isnt hunting ! Im sure you all know someone with the same ideals.
TexasUplander
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Yeah... after all, that is working out so well... with people identifying as cats and expecting employers to let them keep a litter box by their desk at work. They are free to do as they please. Not much I can do to stop them. Yet they are NOT free of me thinking they are wrong and mentally ill. They don't get to tell me how to think. It's much the same with high fencers. It's not that they are different, and it's not that we're trying to stop them, it's that they are being lesser... and they are mad at others pointing it out.
People want to behave poorly and not have anyone else point it out. So they tantrum when someone points it out, and cause such a fuss that no one wants to point it out anymore because they don't want to deal with psychotic people. This doesn't mean the psychotic people are right... it just means that no one wants to do what is necessary to shut them down.
I'm not trying to start legislation to ban high fence hunting. I'm not moving against them. I care not if someone engages in it. However, if they don't like the fact that I think they are lesser for doing so... they can go pound sand and scream at a brick wall if they want. I won't be moved on it.
I find it ironic that you say not to look down noses, and be civil and polite, then call people vulgar names. lol
I mean there's irony, then there's irony so thick you'd need a jackhammer to get into it. So it's alright to look down your nose at what you define, but not others? Divide when you say, but not others? Well these days, I look down my nose at people that use foul language. Deal with it or be better, because I won't start thinking foul language is a good idea just to make you feel better about doing it. I also think that the people I see chasing deer and pronghorn with their vehicles every year are losers as well.
So no, I won't be accepting of the way people hunt just because that's what they've chosen when I know it to be lesser, flat wrong, totally illegal, or all three. I've been given the gift of discernment and I intend to use it.
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It is amazing the potential a buck has in him when living in ideal conditions and protected. I had a great friend (RIP) that picked up a fawn while bush hogging a field. Stupid move on his part. Brought it back to horse barn and bottle fed it and kept it for about 4 years. It lived in the barn and small pasture behind the barn. It had a very similar rack to the one in this thread. It was eating the highest quality show horse food and treated like a pet. Ultimately someone turned him in and WR took the deer. He paid a heavy fine and learned his lesson.
Only one entity that's allowed to use another mans land to raise animals that aren't theirs, with food they don't pay for, and charge people to go hunt them... and then force someone at gunpoint to pay fines if they decide to make one a pet.
Sickening.
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RockyMtnMT
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Do you use cattle fence to know where pronghorn will move when pressured?Yeah... after all, that is working out so well... with people identifying as cats and expecting employers to let them keep a litter box by their desk at work. They are free to do as they please. Not much I can do to stop them. Yet they are NOT free of me thinking they are wrong and mentally ill. They don't get to tell me how to think. It's much the same with high fencers. It's not that they are different, and it's not that we're trying to stop them, it's that they are being lesser... and they are mad at others pointing it out.
People want to behave poorly and not have anyone else point it out. So they tantrum when someone points it out, and cause such a fuss that no one wants to point it out anymore because they don't want to deal with psychotic people. This doesn't mean the psychotic people are right... it just means that no one wants to do what is necessary to shut them down.
I'm not trying to start legislation to ban high fence hunting. I'm not moving against them. I care not if someone engages in it. However, if they don't like the fact that I think they are lesser for doing so... they can go pound sand and scream at a brick wall if they want. I won't be moved on it.
I find it ironic that you say not to look down noses, and be civil and polite, then call people vulgar names. lol
I mean there's irony, then there's irony so thick you'd need a jackhammer to get into it. So it's alright to look down your nose at what you define, but not others? Divide when you say, but not others? Well these days, I look down my nose at people that use foul language. Deal with it or be better, because I won't start thinking foul language is a good idea just to make you feel better about doing it. I also think that the people I see chasing deer and pronghorn with their vehicles every year are losers as well.
So no, I won't be accepting of the way people hunt just because that's what they've chosen when I know it to be lesser, flat wrong, totally illegal, or all three. I've been given the gift of discernment and I intend to use it.
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No… they go through or over fences here like it's nothing.
I don't hunt animals with pressure anyway. That's kind of the point of being able to kill them from hundreds of yards. They don't have a clue anything is different than any other day until my bullet hits them.
Only the lesser hunters I was referring to earlier will go stir them up in the first place.
lancetkenyon
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Beautiful buck.
Looks like the bullet worked perfectly. Quick, humane kill.
Looks like the bullet worked perfectly. Quick, humane kill.
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I have never seen a pronghorn jump a fence. They find a place to crawl under. They are not jumpers.
I have hunted them more times than I can count. I have never been the only hunter in the area. When they encounter other hunters they run a long ways. Likely in the direction of other hunters. I guess I and every other hunter that I have ever met are "lesser hunters".
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Pronghorn jump fences. I've seen does and bucks do it. Maybe hunt them a few more times and you'll see it.
So what's your argument exactly? You like to hunt high fence pronghorn as well?
You say they aren't "jumpers." I say they are. I can prove they are. It wasn't that way 20 years ago... but it's certainly that way now. Anyone that's hunted them in the past 10 years likely would have seen it at least once.
Oh look, a video.
Hey... another one.
Here's a video of my own... where nearly the entire herd jumped the fence... but I didn't record because everyone already knows pronghorn jump fences and why would I ever think I'd need to record that for evidence? Oh well. Instead here's a video of the buck, that I was interested in filming... jumping a fence next to a literally broken fence that he could have just stepped over. Instead he JUMPS the HIGHEST part of the fence. lol
Then there's the fact I saw probably 300 antelope jump fences this year alone. Not hard to get big "jumper" numbers when you see a herd of 20 head to a fence and everything jumps the top barb including the kids! Yeah, they might eventually hit other hunters somewhere, but fences have nothing to do with it. I saw a herd last year jump through a sorting corral. They probably jumped nearly a dozen fences within 200yds.
More times than you can count? You must not be able to count very high. I started hunting them when I was 14 I think, and I missed a season here or there, so I bet I've hunted them for 25 years. Some years I did both archery and rifle. See, it's not that hard.
Considering what I've seen of you hunting on video, flock shooting audad, killing a kid with your shot, and trying to wrench your bolt open afterwards and can't... gotta get that velocity huh chief? Yeah, it would probably be safe for me to say you're a lesser hunter alright. So I'm glad you said it. Given the type of photo's of immature animals you have littered all around your social spaces, it's also pretty safe for me to assume you have no standards that anyone should be looking to for guidance. ...and I'm getting pretty sick and tired of seeing you on this forum bullying people all the time. Once upon a time I wanted to see you and what you're doing succeed. After a year of watching your nasty remarks towards others on this site, that time is passed. Other folks on here that you decide to target might not be able to defend themselves, but I'm glad you picked me bubba.
Your wrong perception doesn't dictate reality. It's about time you learn that. STOP taking swings at people on here, and start holding yourself to a higher standard. Despite what your experiences on here might have convinced you of, you don't get to be wrong and bully people, and you most certainly don't want to keep pressing on me. Test me if you like.
I'd rather you simply start being better on here. It's a small ask.
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