Anchoring game. Why high shoulder over neck shots?

I have tracked deer shot with a wide range of calibers & archery equipment. My take from these experiences is larger projectile may offer a bit of forgiveness. Though shot placement is more important than caliber choice.

My take is if you shoot your 300 magnum better than a 243 then the big gun will defiantly be more lethal. Though the reverse may also be true. If I shoot my 6mm ARC more accurately than my 30-06 then I will likely be more lethal with the more accurate system.
 
Amen, I've seen enough big deer lost or very luckily found with a 243 and smaller that I swore those calibers off. It works ok if you can shoot but still a risk in my opinion. Bullets have gotten better since then. But there's still a line there when you drop below 6.5 or 25 caliber that for some reason makes a difference. I had three friends that grew up with 243s and most every time they shot it was an ordeal. They weren't great shots but they could do ok in that department. Finally, one Christmas for whatever reason they all got 270s or 30-06s. That ended a lot of the after shot drama. This is on whitetails and hogs of course, nothing larger.
Another thing that happens when you have a blood dog, which I've always had, is you get to trail a lot. But one thing you'll notice is repeat calls from the same folks. Some folks just can't shoot. Then many of those start thinking they need more gun. Which only makes them shoot worse. We all probably have those guys that we cringe when their name pops up on caller ID.
So true. Regardless of cartridge or bullet, same people with the same problems again and again.
 
I have tracked deer shot with a wide range of calibers & archery equipment. My take from these experiences is larger projectile may offer a bit of forgiveness. Though shot placement is more important than caliber choice.

My take is if you shoot your 300 magnum better than a 243 then the big gun will defiantly be more lethal. Though the reverse may also be true. If I shoot my 6mm ARC more accurately than my 30-06 then I will likely be more lethal with the more accurate system.
Exactly. You can get a bit more margin for error but you may also induce more error by going to a caliber you can't handle. A lot of guys, myself included don't shoot as well with the bigger gun and if I don't need it I won't use it. I don't like the extra muzzle blast.
I have a friend that has killed a trainload of deer with a 30-06, literally. He went on a magnum kick and bought a 300 win mag and simply could not drive it. His wounding went through the roof. He is now happily back at home with his 30-06 and 308.
 
225 eld m is a death ray on deer. I've taken 3 (I think) with it, a big buck, a small doe, near, far, doesn't matter. All three have exited. Two of the three didn't take one step.

This was out of my .300 win mag loaded to about 2760.
That velocity with that bullet is a mighty good combination. It'll make a very good wound channel and hold together. When you get up around 3000fps and higher, bonded or tougher bullets come into their own.
 
With head shots I've never had one "go wrong" other than straight up missing. But to be fair I guess if the fates misaligned you could hit one in the jaw maybe? Pretty much everywhere else in the head and they're down.

Finding a deer shot through the jaw, and completely emaciated but alive…..broke my wife of any more head-shots. A head-shot had always been her preferred shot! memtb
 
Your lack of knowledge pertaining to terminal ballists is astounding!

A close range shot with a .375 will produce far less bloodshot meat than an equally placed bullet from the same range as let's say……a 130 grain cup and core bullet from a .270 Win!

So……continue talking from your rectum! memtb
Had a guy I know used a .416 Rigby for a few very minimal meat damage, when hit right.
 
I don't care for either neck ( too small of margin for error) or high shoulder. I use high shoulder from time to when I need something to drop in its tracks, and that seems like it's not very often now days as it's been years since I took one of those shots.

One main reason I don't like high shoulder is lots of time you will have to shoot them again. It's verily likely to break the spinal column and animal can't move but too not going to expire quickly. I prefer the old fashioned boiler room with lots of margin for error and dead every time.
 
I don't like the high shoulder shot personally, I shot a doe several years ago with a .50 black powder, broke her spine and she obviously wasn't going anywhere but writhed in pain until I could load the rifle again and end her suffering with a head shot. I almost exclusively take head shots or a neck shot closer to the head where the chance of missing the spine is much less. I they're facing me I try to wait until the head is down and there is this nice dark line up the back of the neck that is a perfect aiming point or stick it between the ears and they never know what hit them. On moving shots I will shoot just behind the shoulder or I may not take the shot if I'm not confident of a quick and ethical kill.

On the subject of meat destruction, I am primarily of the school of saving as much meat as possible, it's one of the primary reasons I hunt. To have clean, lean red meat is the carnivore's dream for living well in our polluted, chemical infested world. I digress; it is true that slower heavy bullets, especially of larger caliber, penetrate better and destroy less meat than smaller hyper velocity rounds. For shorter ranges, 150 and in, the old 30-30 is hard to beat. I use the Hornady Leverevolution in mine which extends the range to about 200 and about 1 MOA accurate which plenty accurate for hunting anything I want to shoot at those ranges. I also hunt with 308 win (with heavier 175 bullets) and 6.5 Cree...... with 147s if I'm shooting farther. If I only had one cartridge to hunt with I would strongly consider a 338 win mag and 225 bullets, 308 with 175s or 7-08 with 160ish bullets. I also think that way too many people put far too much into the highest BC, newest technology and marketing hype than is practical. A Sierra Game King in any cartridge is more than enough to be very effective at ranges consistent with most hunter's skill set. I only use the Sierra as an example of old school bullets that have taken more game in the last fifty years than anyone knows and I could plug in Speer, Nosler, Remington Core-Lokt etc. just as well. The point is that the newest high performance, hyper velocity pump my ego latest and greatest don't mean squat when taking deer at the most common hunting ranges. The heart of a white tail is about the size of a naval orange and if you can hit the orange at whatever distance you're hunting, that's accurate enough to make a consistently ethical, fast kill. If you are hunting in area's where you could take a 600 yard or farther shot and have the skill and practice to be ethical, then a high velocity, high performing long range cartridge has merit.

Please consider that these are simply my opinions and preferences gained from over 55 years of hunting and shooting accurately in both the gun / shooting industry and in law enforcement. I fully embrace differing and opposing views as being your own and enjoy.
 

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