Practical Hunting Accuracy - Truth and Reality
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Mikecr
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Maintaining 1moa of what? ACCURACY, or PRECISION, to what distance, from what conditions?
Hunting guns are different from pure BR guns, in that BR guns are purpose built for grouping (precision).
In contrast, BR guns are different from hunting guns, in that hunting guns are purpose built for field accuracy (poi to center of mark).
Field accuracy being all kinds of ranges, with all kinds of shooting rest conditions, as carried and set upon.
Hunting shooting does not have to be maintained through long strings, but it has to be reliable for single shots however presented.
I'm a walking GH hunter, and even 1/2moa of accuracy would provide little success at 500yds+.
I wouldn't bother to carry that.
Hunting guns are different from pure BR guns, in that BR guns are purpose built for grouping (precision).
In contrast, BR guns are different from hunting guns, in that hunting guns are purpose built for field accuracy (poi to center of mark).
Field accuracy being all kinds of ranges, with all kinds of shooting rest conditions, as carried and set upon.
Hunting shooting does not have to be maintained through long strings, but it has to be reliable for single shots however presented.
I'm a walking GH hunter, and even 1/2moa of accuracy would provide little success at 500yds+.
I wouldn't bother to carry that.
1 MOA means a new barrel
Brad Quarnberg
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Well we all know common sense isn't all that common anymore.
Muddyboots
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My rifles are either MOD or MOE.
Minute of Deer
Or
Minute of Elk
Minute of Deer
Or
Minute of Elk
I've had quite a few total factory rifles that hold 1 MOA. A 222 Rem and a 308 Win were definitely capable, of fine accuracy.
I have notes on the 308 Win.
20 shots 4, 5 shot groups without letting the barrel cool. 98° windy 15 to 20 mph. 4000 rds on factory barrel Rem 700 police.
Group 1 5 shots .817" 3 .342"
Group 2 5 shots .867" 3 .469"
Group 3 5 shots .725" 3 .332"
Group 4 5 shots .927" 3 .329"
7000 rds on Factory 308 barrel same rifle
4, 3 shot groups.
.364," .187,".105," .303" for an average of .239"
The best groups were 5 shots 1400 yds 7.812"
The best at 1000 yds recorded was 3 shots 1.516" 2 into the same hole, 5 shots 5.148"
I mostly shot 3 shot groups, from the old sniper craft days, never shoot more than 3 shots from one position. I have recorded 9, 3 shot groups average 4.913" at 1000 yards.
Shot chicken eggs at 1000 yds with a factory 700 308 Win Police rifle 26" barrel. 3 hits on one egg group 3 shots .452" 4 shots into .540" and 5 into 1.486" at 1000yds...bullet holes behind the egg. Wrap them in plastic and they take more than one hit, and hit one on the 2nd try... some lucky shots, plus a daisy flower 1 st shot at slightly past 1000, just slightly off center off of a 1/4" thick 3/4" diameter yellow center. Used this rife to dispel alot of information about bullets destabilizing, and transitioning, taking the worst 30 cal bullet shooting at low velocity of 2750 fps, .263 BC going subsonic at 700 to 750 yds shot 3 into 7" and bouncing around a empty 3.5" x 10" tall plastic container, at 1000 yards. 60 MOA drop velocity down to 868 fps and 217 ft/lbs. All done 20 yrs ago with a factory Rem 700 rifle, with factory barrel... the no go would chamber with barely a slight resistance, and the fired case could take a full grain more Varget than the following custom barrels, running 3046 fps in a factory 26" for 8000 rds of accurate shooting, and alot of abuse, barrel cooling was not considered, until the target is obscured by heat waves coming off thr hot barrel...it's a tool, to be used, and discarded.
Then I rebarreled the action several times ...in 308 of coarse, plus a bunch of others..in 308.
I have notes on the 308 Win.
20 shots 4, 5 shot groups without letting the barrel cool. 98° windy 15 to 20 mph. 4000 rds on factory barrel Rem 700 police.
Group 1 5 shots .817" 3 .342"
Group 2 5 shots .867" 3 .469"
Group 3 5 shots .725" 3 .332"
Group 4 5 shots .927" 3 .329"
7000 rds on Factory 308 barrel same rifle
4, 3 shot groups.
.364," .187,".105," .303" for an average of .239"
The best groups were 5 shots 1400 yds 7.812"
The best at 1000 yds recorded was 3 shots 1.516" 2 into the same hole, 5 shots 5.148"
I mostly shot 3 shot groups, from the old sniper craft days, never shoot more than 3 shots from one position. I have recorded 9, 3 shot groups average 4.913" at 1000 yards.
Shot chicken eggs at 1000 yds with a factory 700 308 Win Police rifle 26" barrel. 3 hits on one egg group 3 shots .452" 4 shots into .540" and 5 into 1.486" at 1000yds...bullet holes behind the egg. Wrap them in plastic and they take more than one hit, and hit one on the 2nd try... some lucky shots, plus a daisy flower 1 st shot at slightly past 1000, just slightly off center off of a 1/4" thick 3/4" diameter yellow center. Used this rife to dispel alot of information about bullets destabilizing, and transitioning, taking the worst 30 cal bullet shooting at low velocity of 2750 fps, .263 BC going subsonic at 700 to 750 yds shot 3 into 7" and bouncing around a empty 3.5" x 10" tall plastic container, at 1000 yards. 60 MOA drop velocity down to 868 fps and 217 ft/lbs. All done 20 yrs ago with a factory Rem 700 rifle, with factory barrel... the no go would chamber with barely a slight resistance, and the fired case could take a full grain more Varget than the following custom barrels, running 3046 fps in a factory 26" for 8000 rds of accurate shooting, and alot of abuse, barrel cooling was not considered, until the target is obscured by heat waves coming off thr hot barrel...it's a tool, to be used, and discarded.
Then I rebarreled the action several times ...in 308 of coarse, plus a bunch of others..in 308.
victor3ranger
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I like that
Phil Rizzo
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Wasn't he talking about factory rifles and their guarantees in his video?
Phil Rizzo
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What kind of rest do you use in the field for better than 2.5" groups? I need one.
unless you mean the rifle's capability only.?
While I haven't ever taken 5 shots at one animal, I have taken up to 7 shots at multiple animals in quick succession during a crop damage depredation hunt. In that particular instance I was able to put 6 deer on the ground before they got out of the field. Rifle was a Ruger American Ranch in 6.5 Grendel (suppressed) with a 10 round mag. Shots were between 125 and 400 yards. Total time between the 7 shots was about 1.5 minutes.
victor3ranger
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That kinda reminds me of Iraq
Trm82
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3 shots tell me everything I need to know.
I've never done 5 and never will.
It's a waste of components and barrel life.
memtb
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I guess that I'll never know if I have a 1 MOA rifle…..unless someone else is paying for the ammo!
Until then I'll be content with my 1/2 to 5/8" 3 shot groups at 100, or sub 2" 3 shot groups at 300 yards! memtb
I took a long range shooting class earlier this year. In the power point presentation was this slide. I thought it was pretty interesting. My 6.5 PRC scored a 267 and over 20 shots, printed about a 1.25 moa. 3 shots were .3 moa and 5 about .5 moa all at 100 yds. My cold bore shot is right on the money. Which is good since this is my hunting rifle. I also hit the 1 mile target with this rifle.
