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Thanks just checked out their website looks awesome:d
LoadBase 3.0 with (Spin Drift) PC&PDA Ballistic Program
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In case members don't know this, in order to get the most benefit from the LB 2.0/3.0, Exbal, or any other ballistic software, you'll also need to purchase a weather meter which will provide you with Station atmospheric pressure, temperature, wind speed, and humidity. So plan on another couple hundred bucks for a Kestrel 3500 or equivalent weather meter. You can estimate some of these inputs into the program, but the more accurate these input data are, the more accurate the ballistic corrections will be from the software. Station pressure and temperature are particularly important.
You may have already known this - but if not, now you do.
You may have already known this - but if not, now you do.
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I'm going to go with the 3500 nv kestrel.:d
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I have a leica 1200 range finder ,will eventually upgrade to the swaro. I'm going to have so many devices the deer will wander what the heck is going on 
Reading about them weather instruments made me think about LoadBase allowing us to use DA = Density Altitude, which according to wikipedia it means:
My BRUNTON ADC-PRO, will give me or display this elevation for me called Density Altitude.
In the two examples down below, I took atmospheric readings at the same physical elevation, 444', but you'll see that my Brunton gave me DA values of 1308 and 38.8 --> 40.0.
Another way would be to get some atmospheric values, go online, find a Density Altitude calculator, input the values and have it tell you the DA value. Since I'm not going to be doing that, I decided to use the values given to me by my Brunton and run the program twice, with the atmospheric values and with just the DA value and see how close the shooting charts would compare to each other.
The pic on the left shows that for the sightin only the DA value can be used; and the pic at the right shows that if you move to anyother conditions you can only input the value for the new DA. In other words, if you decide to use DA instead of ATM, then you have to do it for both, sight in and field conditions.
Here is the comparing of the two, the ATM values and the DA value obtained from my Brunton ADC-PRO. Now you can decide if using DA is close enough for you. There are two ways to calculate DA there is a short way and a long way. The more precise the DA number is calculated the more precise the numbers on the wind-elevation chart will be.
If your weather station calculates DA, do a similar test to see how accurate the numbers you are getting are. Using the ATM values is where you get the most accuracy, but that SINGLE DA VALUE is right up there!!!
So, where do we get this number which represents an altitude? One way would be your weather instrument.
My BRUNTON ADC-PRO, will give me or display this elevation for me called Density Altitude.
In the two examples down below, I took atmospheric readings at the same physical elevation, 444', but you'll see that my Brunton gave me DA values of 1308 and 38.8 --> 40.0.
Another way would be to get some atmospheric values, go online, find a Density Altitude calculator, input the values and have it tell you the DA value. Since I'm not going to be doing that, I decided to use the values given to me by my Brunton and run the program twice, with the atmospheric values and with just the DA value and see how close the shooting charts would compare to each other.
The pic on the left shows that for the sightin only the DA value can be used; and the pic at the right shows that if you move to anyother conditions you can only input the value for the new DA. In other words, if you decide to use DA instead of ATM, then you have to do it for both, sight in and field conditions.
Here is the comparing of the two, the ATM values and the DA value obtained from my Brunton ADC-PRO. Now you can decide if using DA is close enough for you. There are two ways to calculate DA there is a short way and a long way. The more precise the DA number is calculated the more precise the numbers on the wind-elevation chart will be.
If your weather station calculates DA, do a similar test to see how accurate the numbers you are getting are. Using the ATM values is where you get the most accuracy, but that SINGLE DA VALUE is right up there!!!
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Michael Eichele
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The funny thing is that you can get PDA compatible software that includes spin drift for free from me!
The funny thing is that you can get PDA compatible software that includes spin drift for free from me!
Now he tells us... gun)
I'm pretty darn pleased with LoadBase 2.0, but it wasn't free! Have you used or seen LoadBase 2.0 in operation, such as to be able to compare features with your software? It does some pretty trick stuff.
Michael Eichele
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Nope. I am sure it is trick. The last thing I want in the field just before I shoot the trophy of a lifetime is a buch of tricks to confuse me.
Give it the yardage, temp, pressure and all I want is the drop, mils and MOA, windage including spin drift. Nothing more, nothing less.
I save the "tricks" for the desktop when they are not a distraction.
If you want tick stuff, you should be looking at my desktop version. If you want unclutterd usefullness, the excell sheet is more than adequete for field use.
10-4 on the concern about overly complicated.
Because its loaded with features doesn't mean a person has to use each feature at the time the animal stands up at 800 yds and walks over the ridgeline. The feature I will primarily use at that time of fire provides the field firing corrections in IPHY, MOA, or Mil-Radians. I'll select Mils if I want to hold over using my reticle hash-marks. IPHY if I want to turn turrets for clicks. The function and features are similar on the desktop and the mobile versions, so familiarity with the desktop version = familiarity with the Mobile/field version.
If the game knew everything LoadBase Mobile will do, they'd walk over the hillside before the distance closed to within 1200 yds.
Because its loaded with features doesn't mean a person has to use each feature at the time the animal stands up at 800 yds and walks over the ridgeline. The feature I will primarily use at that time of fire provides the field firing corrections in IPHY, MOA, or Mil-Radians. I'll select Mils if I want to hold over using my reticle hash-marks. IPHY if I want to turn turrets for clicks. The function and features are similar on the desktop and the mobile versions, so familiarity with the desktop version = familiarity with the Mobile/field version.
If the game knew everything LoadBase Mobile will do, they'd walk over the hillside before the distance closed to within 1200 yds.
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Well, Michael, I surely hope this is not confusing for you! Being that you're a programmer yourself. The picture says it all. Once all needed info. is in, this screen it will give you all you need without confusion. If you need to change the wind and or Inclination Angle, just click on "Fire Data" then back to "Fire Solution" and... very simple, uncluttered, uncomplicated, unconfusing, etc. etc. Would you not agree?
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Thanks Eaglet. That's the feature ("Shoot - Fire Solution" screen) I was talking about. One of the tricks is that with this screen, we can select Clicks, IPHY, MOA, or MRAD. If I want to use some of the 15 mils of holdover hashes available on my IOR MP-8 reticle, I click MRAD and hold over with my reticle. If my reticle hashes are in MOA then click on MOA - hold over and shoot. If I want to turn turrets, then check Clicks and turn away. Want to factor in Coriolis and soon to be Spin Drift, click on those boxes to activate. Will I use this if the animal jumps up at 200 yds and starts running for cover. Probably not. I'll know how to hit at 100-300 yds by familiarity with my rifle. Will I have time to use these features for a long range setup. In my experiences - yes.
Different strokes for different folks, and to each his own. Live and let live. Whatever..., but I like the tricks built in to LoadBase. It's not too hard to select the tricks that are necessary for the task at hand. And who said tricks had to be complicated?
Different strokes for different folks, and to each his own. Live and let live. Whatever..., but I like the tricks built in to LoadBase. It's not too hard to select the tricks that are necessary for the task at hand. And who said tricks had to be complicated?
Great post! Makes lots of simple sence to me!!!
