Mass Shootings - Why?

[FEENIX]

A strong family (values and beliefs), faith, and friends are the foundation productive citizenship.

ADDED: After 9/11 we secured cockpits, not take away guns.

 

[jessej]

culturally accepted single parent households, divorce, screens as a babysitter, poor nutrition, and lack of a loving healthy mental environment for kids.

There has to be a shift towards personal accountability and we as a society need to accept some responsibility for the state of our affairs.

Not just your thoughts elkeater,,,,
FACTS

 

[xsn10s]

It's still very early and I don't want to point fingers but I suspect a breakdown in the security at the school. I'd really like to know how the shooter gained access at the school. It sounds like he was met by a security guard at the school. But the entry should have been locked. No mention so far by news agencies, I'm getting suspicious that it was left open.

 

[HSmithTX]

Don't forget social media, kids today will sit in the same room and text each other while on tiktok or instagram or facebook looking at people who seem to have it all put together and are likely dumpster fires themselves. These kids see these other people and the attention they get and the things they have and they want that too, and the people they are looking at rarely if ever post anything bad. We all know life can kick you right in the junk periodically, more poor decisions means more times you get kicked but these kids don't see that. They think that their life sucks because it isn't what they perceive to be normal, and their perceived normal is a fabricated bunch of bull excrement. This compounds the issues with parenting, lack of religion, being told their whole lives in school that their parents are bigots because they don't agree with LMNOP or whatever. Kids now are being taught that they are inherently racist, and their families are too. Government and academia are the saviors, disagree and best case you will be ostracized if you aren't outright cancelled. I could type a book.....

 

[xsn10s]

Being in law enforcement, I see these problems often, and I can tell you, it generally has nothing to do with LE. When we get an individual that is a threat to themselves or others, but has not committed a crime, in this area they are held on what's called a title 25, different states may have different names for it.

After that, they must be "evaluated" by a mental health physician, within 24 hours of their detainment.

Essentially all a person has to do is act relatively "normal" and tell the evaluator that they are fine, and make it seem like it was a temporary laps in judgement, or they only said what they said or acted how they did because they were under the influence of something. After that, the title 25 is generally dropped, and we must release them, often times with no follow up from the evaluator.

This loop continues until they break the law in some fashion. Then they may be brought in on charges as well as a title 25, or simply just charges.

Once they go to court, if they try to say they are not mentally stable, or if they act mentally unstable, then they have to be evaluated by a state run hospital, in our case. We have had people in our jail for over 7 months at times in limbo, simply waiting to get evaluated. People that very possibly don't belong in jail, but instead a permanent mental facility, and seriously need help, and jail is only making their condition worse. Then once they finally get in for evaluation, who knows what happens. I have seen them say someone was "unrestorable", then the judge says "well, they did 6 months jail time waiting for evaluation, that is likely as much time as they would have done for these misdameanor charges. Release them, time served". With little if any mental follow up. And they are back on the streets, unsupervised, or put on a supervised probation that everyone knows they will fail, because they are mentally unstable, amd are only going to self medicate with drugs and alcohol, which is obviously a violation of their probation.

Then, when they get arrested again a few weeks/days after getting out, the process starts over. But it gets worse.....

They finally, 6-7 months or more later, get back in for another mental health evaluation. The same mental health doctor does the evaluation. The same evaluator that, 6-7 months ago, said this person was "unrestoreable". But on this evaluation, they say this person is mentally fit to stand trial. But again, this person has done 6 months for their crime, which in this case, is sufficient. So they are let go on the streets, again. And again, arrested a week or two later, and again, wait on another mental health evaluation.

The biggest problem is the broken mental health system, which is exacerbated by the fact that they are being inundated with more and more patients due to all the drug use problems in the country, drug problems that are being advocated by certain states such as Washington, California and others, where one can get on disability because they are addicted to drugs, and get paid by the state so they can continue to buy more drugs with their tax payer funded dollars. All the while, law enforcement across the country can't keep their departments staffed, and government ran mental health facilities are functioning sub par due to a lack of proper management, funding and staffing.

Hopefully that wasn't too political, but that is the problem as I see it from where I stand, dealing with people like this directly, on a regular basis.

I fully agree with this. The Florida shooter falls into this imo. The drug/ homeless/ mental health issue is a big issue. I had to deal with this at my church on Tuesday. And I only see it getting worse for the near future. Happens when drugs become essentially legal.

 

[tmmcampbell]

The problem is some politicians would rather see this happen than harden our schools. This helps their political agenda by being able to point at it and claim we need gun control. All of the schools in my state have had cops removed from them. Realistically with how soft most of of our schools are a determined man could do as much damage with a sword.

Seems to me this would be an easy fix. We have a great military with great people. Those that stay can retire after 20 years. make the last 4-5 years of their service guarding a single entrance school door. Have them posted in battle gear with orders to terminate with extreme prejudice any deadly threat to the school. We would have plenty of manpower and it would be a good gig for our retiring military. It would also give the benefit of letting students see our military in action and would work for recruiting.

This will never happen because words are violence and it doesn't help the goal of disarming the public.

 

[Holycity73]

Social media is imo the greatest culprit. You can insert whatever you want after that. There is no accountability for misinformation, glorification of violence, radicalization etc. I don't think kids should be on social media. They aren't trusted with a gun, why give them access to something equally as dangerous that can unguardedly program them?
I say this starts with parents not doing their jobs. The rest is what it is. We cannot expect the government to offer a solution. They're too concerned with staying in power and placating their masters. This is an "us" problem.

 

[crashlanding]

The how's and why's of what's happening in the United States is no longer important to me, it's crumbling and it's going to continue. For me, every law abiding citizen who can get a concealed carry permit should do so and invest the time to train for a scenario. Don't depend on law enforcement or the government, they won't be near when you need them and they aren't going to fix what's wrong with the country. It's up to you and I

 

[ButterBean]

I'm regards to the Texas shooting, nobody is asking one big question. Where the hell did the shooter find a place that actually had 2 AR's and plenty of ammo in stock?? How did he purchase 350 rounds of ammo, when you're usually restricted to a couple of boxes of ammo (if it's in stock). And, he had to drop at least $2-3K on all of it. Where did an 18 year old kid get the cash??

 

[Holycity73]

I'm regards to the Texas shooting, nobody is asking one big question. Where the hell did the shooter find a place that actually had 2 AR's and plenty of ammo in stock?? How did he purchase 350 rounds of ammo, when you're usually restricted to a couple of boxes of ammo (if it's in stock). And, he had to drop at least $2-3K on all of it. Where did an 18 year old kid get the cash??

Cmon amigo. Ever cruise the classifieds on here? 2-3k isn't a lot of money to kids these days.

 

[xsn10s]

I'm regards to the Texas shooting, nobody is asking one big question. Where the hell did the shooter find a place that actually had 2 AR's and plenty of ammo in stock?? How did he purchase 350 rounds of ammo, when you're usually restricted to a couple of boxes of ammo (if it's in stock). And, he had to drop at least $2-3K on all of it. Where did an 18 year old kid get the cash??

Sounds like he just had a birthday so possible he got birthday money, but it's a good question. I suspect it's mostly birthday money and maybe combined savings. He could of been planning this for sometime, maybe years. I see AR's stocked at LGS and I live in a small rural community. Ammo has been in stock for a couple of months in my area. As far as getting that much ammo at one purchase that would depend on the store.

 

[xsn10s]

I'm regards to the Texas shooting, nobody is asking one big question. Where the hell did the shooter find a place that actually had 2 AR's and plenty of ammo in stock?? How did he purchase 350 rounds of ammo, when you're usually restricted to a couple of boxes of ammo (if it's in stock). And, he had to drop at least $2-3K on all of it. Where did an 18 year old kid get the cash??

To add to my previous post these are only "possible" explanations. In no way could they be what actually happened. Just what I suspect. Also it sounds like containment was what the local agencies adhered to. That is what old doctrine and most agencies trained to do with active shooters. Newer doctrines go with actively engaging an active shooter. But that requires much more training. Which equates to more funds. The reality is liabilities probably are greater in different areas with police departments. They might be able to allocate funds and co-ordinate with schools like they do in my very small community. but it still requires the people to do their job in securing schools. Nothing is fool proof but I'm getting more suspicious that it was too easy to gain access to the school. Or a door was left open when it was supposed to be closed and locked.

 

[FEENIX]

Seems to me this would be an easy fix. We have a great military with great people. Those that stay can retire after 20 years. make the last 4-5 years of their service guarding a single entrance school door. Have them posted in battle gear with orders to terminate with extreme prejudice any deadly threat to the school. We would have plenty of manpower and it would be a good gig for our retiring military. It would also give the benefit of letting students see our military in action and would work for recruiting.

Sorry, but the military (active service members) is not instituted for this type of workload, i.e., military personnel (LEs/SFs) cannot arbitrarily post active military members on school grounds during peacetime situations providing school security as an active duty member in their battle gear. Moonlighting is another story. They will, however, respond to a real-world threat/joint effort with the local police/sheriff's department. I do not think even the state Governor can activate the National Guards/Reserves to active duty to provide peacetime school security.

 

[Recon$$]

Being in law enforcement, I see these problems often, and I can tell you, it generally has nothing to do with LE. When we get an individual that is a threat to themselves or others, but has not committed a crime, in this area they are held on what's called a title 25, different states may have different names for it.

After that, they must be "evaluated" by a mental health physician, within 24 hours of their detainment.

Essentially all a person has to do is act relatively "normal" and tell the evaluator that they are fine, and make it seem like it was a temporary laps in judgement, or they only said what they said or acted how they did because they were under the influence of something. After that, the title 25 is generally dropped, and we must release them, often times with no follow up from the evaluator.

This loop continues until they break the law in some fashion. Then they may be brought in on charges as well as a title 25, or simply just charges.

Once they go to court, if they try to say they are not mentally stable, or if they act mentally unstable, then they have to be evaluated by a state run hospital, in our case. We have had people in our jail for over 7 months at times in limbo, simply waiting to get evaluated. People that very possibly don't belong in jail, but instead a permanent mental facility, and seriously need help, and jail is only making their condition worse. Then once they finally get in for evaluation, who knows what happens. I have seen them say someone was "unrestorable", then the judge says "well, they did 6 months jail time waiting for evaluation, that is likely as much time as they would have done for these misdameanor charges. Release them, time served". With little if any mental follow up. And they are back on the streets, unsupervised, or put on a supervised probation that everyone knows they will fail, because they are mentally unstable, amd are only going to self medicate with drugs and alcohol, which is obviously a violation of their probation.

Then, when they get arrested again a few weeks/days after getting out, the process starts over. But it gets worse.....

They finally, 6-7 months or more later, get back in for another mental health evaluation. The same mental health doctor does the evaluation. The same evaluator that, 6-7 months ago, said this person was "unrestoreable". But on this evaluation, they say this person is mentally fit to stand trial. But again, this person has done 6 months for their crime, which in this case, is sufficient. So they are let go on the streets, again. And again, arrested a week or two later, and again, wait on another mental health evaluation.

The biggest problem is the broken mental health system, which is exacerbated by the fact that they are being inundated with more and more patients due to all the drug use problems in the country, drug problems that are being advocated by certain states such as Washington, California and others, where one can get on disability because they are addicted to drugs, and get paid by the state so they can continue to buy more drugs with their tax payer funded dollars. All the while, law enforcement across the country can't keep their departments staffed, and government ran mental health facilities are functioning sub par due to a lack of proper management, funding and staffing.

Hopefully that wasn't too political, but that is the problem as I see it from where I stand, dealing with people like this directly, on a regular basis.

Nailed it. This country has a mental health crises that is so mismanaged... Additionally make all the laws you want. It's the DA's and AUSA's that prosecute these actions. Threats and warning signs rarely get enough attention for prosecution.