Were using the 175 ablr in 280ai and 7 saums running them over 3000 fps and had very good results close and far in elk and deer. Got exits on elk at over 600 yards with good internal damage and none went over 30 yards! Tested them in 24" bundle of wet newspaper bundled very tight at 100 yards and got exit. 175 elite hunter only make it half way. Exploded. At 600 yards thru elk hide and ballistic gel got a lot of penetration and good weight retention. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot bear with them at close range. Also very accurate in my light weight 280 ai at 1000 yards. Shoot good in several 7 saums also. Recovered bullet from 600 yard gel test!