Nomosendero
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Good point
215gr Berger Hybrid Target for hunting
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If you're strictly opposed to hunting with them, why do you ask?
Mc Fraser
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I am strictly opposed to hunting with target bullets that have poor performance on the game or poor design for hunting. Reading through the posts here sounds like 215 hybrid is very similar to 210 vld by design.
I believe it was the a-max??? that was marketed as a target bullet and it proved to be an excellent hunting bullet?
My experience is that not all bullets by the same manufacturer are the same, can't really even compare the "same" bullet in different calibers or even weights per caliber. Then add in there different reactions to various impact velocities.
Take for instance the Matchking, not recommended by Sierra for hunting. However the 300 grain .338 caliber is one of my favorites for just that. I have had one shot kills/drops from very close to over 1400 yards. I have killed things with .308 cal Matchkings with mixed results, and bad ones from 7mm versions. Even hunting bullets can act this way; my daughter's .243 with 95 SST has absolutely smashed every whitetail deer it's been pointed at, however the same type bullet in a .338 Edge was less impressive. So when someone bashes one bullet maker and categorizes their products all inclusive, then that is usually out of ignorance. I have put a companies name on the "I do not use for hunting" list in the past, Cutting Edge was one. My experience was back when they only had the MTH for hunting and a buddy and myself were less than impressed with terminal performance with multiple cals-weights-impact velocities-on different animals. Now they have the Lazer that I haven't killed anything with, so I hold my tongue towards the company and just don't use what I know I didn't like.
Take for instance the Matchking, not recommended by Sierra for hunting. However the 300 grain .338 caliber is one of my favorites for just that. I have had one shot kills/drops from very close to over 1400 yards. I have killed things with .308 cal Matchkings with mixed results, and bad ones from 7mm versions. Even hunting bullets can act this way; my daughter's .243 with 95 SST has absolutely smashed every whitetail deer it's been pointed at, however the same type bullet in a .338 Edge was less impressive. So when someone bashes one bullet maker and categorizes their products all inclusive, then that is usually out of ignorance. I have put a companies name on the "I do not use for hunting" list in the past, Cutting Edge was one. My experience was back when they only had the MTH for hunting and a buddy and myself were less than impressed with terminal performance with multiple cals-weights-impact velocities-on different animals. Now they have the Lazer that I haven't killed anything with, so I hold my tongue towards the company and just don't use what I know I didn't like.
Backcountry sports
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I use the berger vld bullet for every thing I shoot little damage in shoulder shots
RidgeReaper208
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Used the 225gr ELD-M out of a 300 PRC this weekend and it was devastating on a big black bear at 300 yards. Bullet left an exit hole the size of a softball, vitals were shredded. Shot placement will always outweigh bullet selection. Hyper-static shock combined with rapid blood loss equals a very quick/painless death for whatever we are harvesting. Bear ran 25 yards and it was game over!
This was the 1st time using a "Match Grade" bullet on game and I did not see any major difference in performance compared to a "Hunting Grade" projectile. Could have used the 212gr ELD-X bullet, however the 225gr ELD-M has a better B.C. and I was concerned about having to shoot in severe wind at long range for this hunt.
I recognize that this thread is about the Berger Hybrid but I think that the data I provided coincides with the discussion.
This was the 1st time using a "Match Grade" bullet on game and I did not see any major difference in performance compared to a "Hunting Grade" projectile. Could have used the 212gr ELD-X bullet, however the 225gr ELD-M has a better B.C. and I was concerned about having to shoot in severe wind at long range for this hunt.
I recognize that this thread is about the Berger Hybrid but I think that the data I provided coincides with the discussion.
Charles Keethler
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Guys I have a lot of 200 swift A- frame for my 300 winmag. does any one have any expeience with these on elk?
Yes, the 215 Hybrids work great as a hunting bullet. I have taken whitetail, antelope, elk, moose, and buffalo with them from 100 yards to 750 yards. This is my go to bullet for my 300 win mag, 30-28 Nosler, 300 Norma, and 300 Norma Imp.
Eagleye208
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I have shot a lot of game with the A-Frames from Swift. Most have been with the 200 grain 30 cal from a 308 Norma Magnum, or the 200 and 220 grain 8mms from a 8mm Rem Mag. In my opinion, these, while not really a long range bullet, are one of the best game bullets available. Of the ones I have recovered they show classic expansion and high retained weight. I have used them primarily on Elk, Moose and I shot 1 bison with an 8mm 220 gr. Never had game go any distance after the shot. However, the longest shot i took with one was 466 yards, large northern bull moose. 308 Norma, 200 A-Frame, started at 2990. He stood for about 5 seconds, and tipped over on his nose when he lifted a leg to take a step. I am certainly not going to bash Berger bullets. Many have had great success with them. But for my style of hunting, I see no need to change from bonded or partition style bullets. D.
montana west
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target bullets are for punching paper not game. In some cases mabe the target bullet will work on light game but my first use was 120 gr hp 25/o6 and it just passed through the deer and no deer.
I feel that the target hunting bullet was design by Nosler in their accubond. it is the best of both worlds. but if you are shoolting a griz you for sure want swift or nosler patican or the speer grand slam. my neighbor a avid hunter and rifle expert had trouble with elk and the barns solid copper bullets.. they also did not open up in the animal.. Howerver the barnes originals in .032 and for real big and dangerous game their .049 may be the best bullets ever mag. another fact the old Remington corelok will take care of all North American game in the right cal.
I feel that the target hunting bullet was design by Nosler in their accubond. it is the best of both worlds. but if you are shoolting a griz you for sure want swift or nosler patican or the speer grand slam. my neighbor a avid hunter and rifle expert had trouble with elk and the barns solid copper bullets.. they also did not open up in the animal.. Howerver the barnes originals in .032 and for real big and dangerous game their .049 may be the best bullets ever mag. another fact the old Remington corelok will take care of all North American game in the right cal.
montana west
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Eagleeye208 E I live basically in southern east bc 28 miles south of the border and I for sure agree with you. I wish we did not have the yukon wolf here they almost destroyed our deer and elk heard..Now your southern B C hunters are made as hell at the U S govt. bringtin them into nothern Montana as they do not understand the Border and they are taking a toll on the elk and muleys around Fernie and Cranbrook.. anyway you are right on with your bullet selection
wonderman4
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I feel like the Lone Ranger here. I think I am the only one that refuses to hunt with ANY target bullet. At least I have the balls to openly admit it.
