Best Sub $1K Action With Prefits Readily Available

[J3n]

+1 for Big Horn Origin. Screw on a Patriot Valley Arms prefit and go shoot.

Yes on the Origin, hell no the PVA. Too may other good smiths out there to have the risk of dealing with PVA and their attitude that any problem is always someone else's fault. They will not take responsibility for any of their false statements nor failure to deliver products. Stay far away from them. Go with LRI, Keystone, or Straight Jacket. or just about anyone but PVA. for your own sake.

 

[JAYgs8163]

Defiance Tenacity is what I went with. Just picked one up, the first version of it, from Area419 at $775 on clearance last week. Already got it in hand. No shipping delays.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Believe who you want. It all depends on your accuracy expectations. Everyone has an opinion, proving it is another thing.

 

[MLN1963]

around here we run bighorn origins with shilen or cbi barrels from northland shooter supply. In our group there's a couple tenacity's as well. Most have barrel nuts. And all shoot sub .5" groups with their preferred loads on any given day. I have 1 SR3 in a 6 creed with a 26" shilen .109 FB barrel. A origin switch barrel that I shoot 26" shilen 204 and 17" xcaliber 6 creed and an origin with a shouldered kreiger 22 creedmoor at 25". All shoot tiny bug hole groups. Dad has a origin with a 24" medium sporter CBI 6.5 creed that shoots sub .5 all day. Best Buddy has an origin with a 26" shilen 7 twist saami throat and it shoots factory 108eldm and 4451 at 40.5gr at the same velocity and poi both into .3-.4" groups on a regular basis. Other friend has a tenacity with a CBI 6XC from northland and it shoots 95 Berger's in the .3s. Gunsmith friend has a tenacity with a shouldered benchmark in 223 12twist shoots 50vmax .3's or smaller with n133. Have yet to see any accuracy difference between a shilen/cbi nut barrel vs a shouldered barrel. They shoot extremely well. Currently I'm building a 300wm on a la origin with a 26" cbi 4 groove. I have zero doubts it will give me any trouble. Can't go wrong with most quality components out there

How do the Orgin and Tenacity compare? Since you guys have both in your shooting group have you figured out the positives and negatives of both actions?

 

[22Kreedmire]

How do the Orgin and Tenacity compare? Since you guys have both in your shooting group have you figured out the positives and negatives of both actions?

Personally I like the origin better. That's just personal preference though. the tenacity is awesome too but I've only ran 15-20 rounds through one so I don't have several thousand rounds down range like I do with the origin/sr3. . I like the origin better because you can swap bolt heads. CRF. . bayonet FP. And savage tennon.. There seems to be more options for Savage prefits than remage style. And there is always the option of a gunsmith installed barrel or proof etc shouldered barrel. And so far zermatt has been absolutely AWESOME in customer service. I had a small issue with my SR3 and zermatt fixed me up no questions asked, With my first origin I had the first gen bolt and it wasn't able to be timed to the trigger , I contacted them and explained why I thought the reason was and he said yep we addressed that shortly after sending out the first actions. So he sent me a whole bolt body and threw in some extra goodies as well.. I'm a customer for life ! I am sure defiance is just as good in that regard... I can't say. But I'm very well pleased. Both my friends with tenacity's love them... Push feed isn't bad at all. I like it. I just like CRF better.. It took a little time and effort
To get the magazine tuned to run super smooth. But after I figured it out, all 5 I've put together run smooth as glass with same mag mods/tweaks . On a side note. I have a trued rem 700 with a number 3 Bartlein 223 rem 8 twist that is absolutely one of the most accurate rifles I've ever owned or shot .. it just took trueing , having the stupid clip in extractor break and fail On Me TWICE , then have LRI do a mini m16, and having gre-tan rifles remove the bolt handle and reposition it to get ANY primary extraction. It's accurate accurate , but it was a pain to get running reliably. I still love it But from here on out , it's Origin or tenacity!

 

[MLN1963]

You definitely have swayed me towards the Orgin.

 

[22Kreedmire]

Hey it's just my favorite... the tenacity is awesome too! Defiance is well know and respected and their stuff has won and will win a lot of competitions.. I will say I like the sr3/tl3 better than the origin . It's a little tiny bit smoother and the cocking ramp is shallower than the origin so bolt lift is insanely light . But to me those two things aren't worth 500 dollars. They did a good thing with the origin. It's a huge bang for the buck.

 

[22Kreedmire]

First and second pic is 17" xcaliber barrel nut 6 creed saami throat with factory 108 eldm ammo on an origin. For an xcaliber it shoots very well. 3rd pic is 204 barrel nut shilen 26" 10 twist with factory 32 superformace in the same origin action.. this barrel has around 2k thru it and shoots like this all the time 4th pic is a few groups I shot with my other origin and shouldered kreiger 22 creed barrel just 2 days ago doing some tests with a new lot of powder. 5th pic is a 1.73" group at 520 yards with same 22 creed later that evening. I have some pics somewhere of the sr3 as well with a 6 creed 26" barrel nut shilen barrel. They are the same. Little bug holes. Accurate rifles are awesome

 

[diamonddave2]

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I didn't know they were available for the Atlas, but I'm not keen on Preferred Barrel blanks. I seen a bore scope of a barrel and it was not impressive at all. Talk about rough! I contacted them and asked if they lapped their barrels and they said no. They didn't give me a warm fuzzy at all. I was looking at a shouldered barrel for my ARC Nucleus at the time. I have used their old company MGM and had good luck but they were using Shilen and X-caliber barrels at the time.

As an unrelated question about MGM and Preferred barrels. I was looking at MGM for either a 280 AI or 7 RMAG barrel for a TC Encore. Your opinion of there work and the two calibers? Also, was thinking if a Remage for my Rem 700.

 

[Joel Russo]

Here's another customer's experience shooting a pre fit barrel on his quick change Terminus Zeus.

 

[TheDeicide]

Here's another customer's experience shooting a pre fit barrel on his quick change Terminus Zeus.

Joel am I correct that all but the Helios are short actions only?

 

[Joel Russo]

Joel am I correct that all but the Helios are short actions only?

You are correct.

 

[SteelBanger]

I was recently in your boat, and I'm guessing the "trued R700 vs custom action" thread you referenced was my thread ... received a lot of great feedback on that thread! For me it came down to the Defiance Tenacity and the Gunwerks GRB action. The Tenacity likely would have won out if I stuck to those two options due to the shouldered prefits available, but ultimately I went with the Terminus Zeus. Yes it's considerably more expensive, but I love the fact that I can loosen two set screws and swap a barrel in a matter of minutes right there on the shooting line and be shooting again.

 

[MLN1963]

As an unrelated question about MGM and Preferred barrels. I was looking at MGM for either a 280 AI or 7 RMAG barrel for a TC Encore. Your opinion of there work and the two calibers? Also, was thinking if a Remage for my Rem 700.

I honestly don't know. When I got mine they weren't making their own barrels, they used Shilen and X-caliber barrels. My current opinion is that Shilen, CBI and X-caliber offer double lapped barrels for roughly the same money. Why not get the barrel that's had more love?