.260 vs 6.5 Creedmore

[Creedmoor shooter]

I'm so ashamed of myself , I bought a 260 rem back in the late nineties . I have disgraced my family and my country for purchasing such a worthless cartridge. I swear I didn't know guys .... I didn't know. Full disclosure I bought a 8 track and batamax also. Man I hope I don't get thrown off the site but I will understand if I do !

Your only hope of acceptance is to sacrifice your 260 on the altar of the creedmoor and then replace the 260 with the creedmoor. Only then will the creedmoor gods be appeased

 

[hseII]

I couldn't agree more. The brass for the .260 is just a bit too long for 140 (or more) vld's without seating the bullet into the powder. I even run into
this with the cm. Other than than I feel the .260 and the cm are very close ballistically and this thread is great for entertainment and a good board for the haters.

Too Long for What?!

That's 140 A-Max, 140 Hybrids, & 140 Accubonds. AI Mags take 2.880" with the little flat piece still in place.

 

[Kerryt38]

Always makes me laugh. I have read all of this dozen pages and not a soul has stated the 260 would BLOW the Creed away. They are Identical combustion chambers in a different shape. The shape of the Creed was optimized to run a VLD bullet at 140 to 147 grains to put holes in paper in a match course setting. The 260 will run right with those numbers in a 26" tube with Superform, RL19 and RL22 to name a few. Now put in 140 Partitions or A-Frames and any bullet you like in the 130 class and lighter and the .260 will out run the Creed powder for powder, primer for primer. Not by a lot, but it will. Oddly enough Superform that was designed to make the Creed case special really is perfect for the 260 with 120-130 grain bullets and really makes ideal use of the 308 case. For the most part it's NASCAR dude. The cars may say Toyota, Chevy, and Ford, but they are the same *Rule 4 Violation* car with only different stickers. Some individual cars just run better on a given day on a given track with maybe a little better pit crew. The Creed crowd is so defensive. You can still love the Creed even if others don't. It's OK. And you Creed haters, well, your just in a whole nuther class. Seriously, most of you didn't pay attention to the 260 or even have a clue about the merits of the 6.5s until the Creed campaign beat it into your heads, so please, just stop. (The Brokeback reference was funny as hell though).

With my 260s I was running 123 Gr bullets at just under 3k and they shot great. At some point I'll probably screw a 260 barrel back on for my daughters to shoot the 123s. I'm not a 260 hater but when people claim it's 250 FPS faster I wonder if they are even comparing the same weight of bullets. The 260 is great if you use it for what it was designed for, that is light 6.5 bullets.

 

[Hespco]

I have a Savage 16 stainless 260 with the box magazine. I have no problem, seating 140 gr bullets to the base of the case neck & still fit in the magazine. 1/8 twist & will almost shoot one hole three shot groups. This is a hunting rifle. If I wanted a competitive target rifle it would be a single shot with a custom chamber throat-ed for a specific bullet. Depending on bullet weight the 260 is 70 to 100 fps faster than my buddies CM. No practical difference in the hunting field but the 260 is faster. As for brass "ALL" of my 260 brass is made from dirt cheap once fired 308. One pass thru the FL sizer: Load & shoot. No neck turning or trimming like the CM requires. As for factory ammo , all you want on line, like most of the other stuff most of us order. At your finger tips.

 

[Pmacc60]

Your only hope of acceptance is to sacrifice your 260 on the altar of the creedmoor and then replace the 260 with the creedmoor. Only then will the creedmoor gods be appeased

There in lies the problem, the Creedmoor gods don't forgive because I'm too stupid to see the errors of my ways. I just keep hand loading for the darn thing and keep shooting it .... like I got something! No hope for me!

 

[Pmacc60]

Had you just been afflicted with a Weatherby caliber or other...belted...magnum we could probably get you some kind of help. Counseling, shock therapy, frontal lobotomy. But this. Your poor mother. Good Lord! Please tell us you don't have children?!!

I do have children , last week they burst in to the doctors office and told the doc they wanted to turn off life support for me. I was only there for a flu shot! The irritated doctor ask me why I had the 260 Remington still and then proceeded to not give me a flu shot and he told me that the flu was nature's way of ridding the world of the week and undesirables ! I wish I could buy a Weatherby but they won't let me .... something about. Company's reputation and not good for the overall welfare of the shooting sports having a moron 260 shooter like me being seen in public with a real gun. Weatherby suggested that I look into a Red Rider, it's more my style.

 

[6.5BR]

So can someone give me realistic speeds in 22-24" Creed - with 120 thru 130 class? Please list bbl length, twist, speed, bullet, and powder used if you do not mind. Thanks.

 

[bigngreen]

As for brass "ALL" of my 260 brass is made from dirt cheap once fired 308. One pass thru the FL sizer: Load & shoot. No neck turning or trimming like the CM requires.

What?? I've never had to turn any CM brass haven't even had to trim length yet with a pile of firings. Most certainly does not require turning based on it just being a Creedmore!!!

 

[Hespco]

The 308 case is 2.015" in length. The CM is 1.920". If you form CM from 308 brass it will no chamber without trimming the case back unless you have a very oversize chamber.

 

[Don A Parsons]

Dang Namit,,, and here I thought they were the same thing all this time,,, along with the 6.5 A-square and Sweden model... Ha...

I suppose folks have the time to split pigs hair in order to find the minuut differences between them...

I got to run,,, its my turn to take over the shooting bench with my out dated 6.5 A-square...

Now I feel kind of out of place since there's only a handfull of us Square Heads left on the planet... Ha...

Wooden Shoes,,, Wooden Spoon,,, Wooden Bowl,,, and Wooden Listen... Its no wounder that my Pops would shake his head when I walked in the door...

Ha

Cheers from the North

 

[Kyle Backenstoes]

Ill agree with everyone at the start of this... Remington was lacking in a lot of ways from the start. A lot more factory offerings for ammunition with a Creed.

 

[keithcandler]

Remington sucks - their marketing sucks, the R&D sucks, they have no idea what long range hunters/shooters want or need. Thats why none of their 260 offerings came with a twist rate fast enough to stabilize the high BC 6.5 bullets.

Edit: to sum it all up they are idiots and they suck. The 6.5 creedmoor never would have been necessary if Remington hadn't screwed the pooch on the 260.

I shoot Rem 700's and customs. Remington has had their head up their *** for a very, very long time. NON shooters making too many decisions in the company.

Remington could have captured a HUGE market share a long time ago, but No. Make as much profit on the accolades from the past.

Ruger and Hornady got together, developed a caliber, then loads for that caliber with tremendous success. Not rocket science at all to those who reload, but company executives on the board that do not shoot/hunt have no clue. Bean counters who use a 80/20 type of approach where 20% of their products achieve 80% of the profit, doom a company in the fire arms industry.

 

[Barrelnut]

Remington had $809 million in revenue with $190 million in gross profit last year.
Savages total revenue was just $104 million.
Large companies like that , if not already driving the market, have a hard time responding to quick market changes. They might have had a huge stack of 9 twist 6.5 barrels to get through before they could start hammer forging 8 twist barrels. Who knows...
Savage started chambering the Creedmoor just after it came out and started putting an 8 twist barrel on their 260 rifles.
Remington just started chambering Creedmoor, and putting an 8 twist on their 260 barrels just a couple years ago.

Add: Just checked. Remington only chambers the 264 Rem Mag in the Sendero and it is still a 9 twist.

 

[Quintus]

I still like the 6.5 Panther.