Which Crtrdg- Short barrel do everything hunting rifle?

[25WSM]

To the op. You have very capable rifles that will do what you need to more than 600 yards on most game. Your only question should be what will kill the size bears I hunt the way I hunt for them. And still shoot 600 yards for the smaller game listed. Your 7saum and 300wsm are in my top 7 list. I don't hunt bears but believe a nice dangerous game bullet would be quite effective in a wsm. Then again maybe I'm wrong and end up lunch. Anything closer than 300 yards on a brown bear I want a big gun. And someone with a backup gun that runs slower than me.
Shep

 

[Jluck]

Bullet choice is probably more important than the powder container or shape.

 

[wildwilderness]

I do have very capable rifles for specific uses, but that's no reason not to work on another project!

some interesting cartridges suggested that I was not aware of or considered.

 

[25WSM]

What are you liking so far? You know the creed beats up everything. Concede.
Shep

 

[Jluck]

What are you liking so far? You know the creed beats up everything. Concede.
Shep

Yep, like super duper magic. Really fast pencil lead is more gooder!

 

[Thescandinavian]

I'd also recommend the 338 federal . I do not have one . But have been looking really hard at one for a stomp brush gun . Should flat hammer game

I might be wrong, but I got the impression that 338 bullets are mostly made for high velocity calibers and therefore not suitable for such a small case. The 358Winchester has the opposite problem I think, few vld bullets or pointed so it would be hard to maintain the velocity.

 

[25WSM]

Seems as though the 338s are way more suitable for bigger magnums. But they have bullets in the 338fed that work at those velocities. The 358 has a real nice blend of light weight whitetail type bullets to heavy elk and moose type game. There is definatly just not one bullet that does it all for each situation. We have as shooters the best bullets I've ever seen so it's really only when you throw in variables that are stretched to far from each other that one can't do it. For me if 9 situations will work perfect with one rifle. Great. I will do that. If situation 10 needs to be done then a separate barrel from his switch barrel would remedy that. If you get a decent Smith I wouldn't even use a barrel nut. Just easier to screw
Barrels on up to the shoulder. Action wrench and small viper barrel vice is all you need. Your Smith will take every measurement on your receiver to fit them and then you can chamber as many as you want in any

 

[25WSM]

In any one action. Lost my post somehow.
What sucks is so many situations we hunt you really don't need anything special. One guy has a 5000 l/r rifle and another next to him has an old Winchester lever in 32 and neither feel more or less is needed. I can build my boy any rifle he desires. He only ask for one a 308.
Shep

 

[tooth doc]

I know this is a tall order, but give me your best thoughts for a magical cartridge the can do it all-

I want to build a hunting rifle on a Manners mcs-cs1 stock that will be packable.

I live in Alaska so Deer, sheep, bear, moose etc. out to 600 yds accurately

I have teenage kids/wife that would use it too (adjustable LOP stock very handy)

Recoil manageable- will most likely add a break

Barrel - CarbonSix with Remage nut, 18-20" - break dependent, possible can in future

Action- Rem 700, prefer Short (limited by mag space to 2.8 COL) unless Long is clearly better.

Bolt- standard or mag?

*edited- I reload so option for different bullets in same cartridge
*edited-I own many other rifles including a full custom 7 SAUM, 300 wsm, 35 whelen, ultra light 308 etc

I have a friend that has built several accurate rifles with the Remage nut so I plan to learn from him thus I am limited to factory parts- no extended box in a short, no lathe work, etc. Now if there isn't a perfect cartridge, the Remage nut would allow a easy barrel swap..... so maybe suggest your best single cartridge for one barrel, then if you think two barrels would be better, which two that share the same bolt face?

On an 18 to 20 in barrel i dont think you csn beat the 7mm 08. You wont get any advantage with bigger cases in short barrel. Benchmark did a bunch of research on short barrels and that was their concensus. Persoanaly mine is a tit rem. In 7 08, 18 in barrel. Under 1moa for 3 shots, 5.5 lbs scoped.

 

[25WSM]

Neighbor has one I painted for him and he swears by it. Mod 7 with the beech stock no less.
Shep

 

[J E Custom]

There may be an easier way to decide. There are plenty of good choices that have been recommended and could be used for most anything, "BUT" there would be better cartridges for some things so try this.

Pick the cartridge that you would use for one game animal and the distance you would shoot. Starting with the biggest/toughest and most dangerous. Also the minimum cartridge/caliber for this game. Then go to the next type of game animal and do the same. Continue until you have all covered and a list of rifles and calibers.

Now try to find one that COULD be safely used for all and be enough for the most dangerous down to one that could be for small game. Obviously a 416 or 458 would do it all but would definitely be over kill on small game. I am a big fan of some of the smaller cartridges like the 7/08 but I would not have it for protection against brown bear, just like I would not hunt rabbits with a 416.

So armed with all of these choices, pick one that will accomplish all the task with some degree of safety and you will have your choice.

J E CUSTOM

 

[25WSM]

Well that's common sense right there but I knew you had it. When you have a list of game and distance and have to conform to it you WILL need to use at least a gun powerfull enough to kill it at the allocated distance. Then it just becomes overkill for some of the rest but will get the job done. Fun thread to read and be part of but really he just may have build a dedicated bear gun so he can use all his other great guns too.
Shep

 

[hseII]

I know this is a tall order, but give me your best thoughts for a magical cartridge the can do it all-

I want to build a hunting rifle on a Manners mcs-cs1 stock that will be packable.

I live in Alaska so Deer, sheep, bear, moose etc. out to 600 yds accurately

I have teenage kids/wife that would use it too (adjustable LOP stock very handy)

Recoil manageable- will most likely add a break

Barrel - CarbonSix with Remage nut, 18-20" - break dependent, possible can in future

Action- Rem 700, prefer Short (limited by mag space to 2.8 COL) unless Long is clearly better.

Bolt- standard or mag?

*edited- I reload so option for different bullets in same cartridge
*edited-I own many other rifles including a full custom 7 SAUM, 300 wsm, 35 whelen, ultra light 308 etc

I have a friend that has built several accurate rifles with the Remage nut so I plan to learn from him thus I am limited to factory parts- no extended box in a short, no lathe work, etc. Now if there isn't a perfect cartridge, the Remage nut would allow a easy barrel swap..... so maybe suggest your best single cartridge for one barrel, then if you think two barrels would be better, which two that share the same bolt face?

700 SA Magazines- Aftermarket Blind mags should be just a parts swap & give you enough room to run the following without any issue.

My Alpha Mag is supposed to be good for 2.970~".

Why limit yourself if you are reloading anyway?

300-338 short mag (Sherman, SAUM, or WSM)

CF barrel around 22"

Switch Lug would make this easier for you to swap barrels & not have to remove the stock.

You could have another in 6.5 or 260 Remington & only adjust your scope & bolt.

That's what I'm doing.

 

[wildwilderness]

I know the bears definitely throw a twist into the options. Getting a cartridge adequate for bear protection, but then wanting manageable recoil usually don't mix. I do not own anything in 338 caliber yet. How does the recoil of say the 338 Fed vs the 338 SS stack up? Would a brake, 3 or 5 port? tame it well?