Colorado red flag law passes

[MudRunner2005]

I just returned from the dentist for the first time since I retired. The lady dentist that took over the practice was shot dead by her husband in a murder suicide. Due to the clear statistics of this crime in our country, straight up, I fully support this law. No fear or hypothetical situation can change my mind and I'll never support a rotten human's right to own a gun. That is just my opinion. I'm not hurt if anybody else disagrees and so sorry if somebody is hurt by my opinion.
I'm out and back to developing an elk load.

Since you don't want a hypothetical situation (even though you seemed to ignore the REAL situation that I posted about in Maryland where the pizzed-off ex-wife gets her ex-husband killed by the cops just out of spite), and you want a "real situation", here you go...

When I was a very young teenager, my older cousin killed herself (on purpose) by OD'ing on over-the-counter pain pills like Advil, Aleve, etc... Do you think they should outlaw those, too? Because I don't. The pills didn't harm her (just like guns don't harm people). She harmed herself by taking too many of them. Thinking you can stop someone from doing something bad to either themselves or others, is never going to work. You cannot regulate morality...EVER. Just because you take their guns, doesn't mean they're just going to NOT commit the crime they were planning on... And if you think that's true, then that's the dumbest **** thing I've ever heard, because that's not reality.

In 2013, my friend (and country music singer) Wayne Mills was shot in the back of the head and killed, by a bar owner in Nashville, TN, and was dragged back into the bar to try to make it look like self-defense. The bar owner is still in prison, and will be for a LONG LONG time. Do I think guns are bad? Hell no! That is the reason we carry guns, to prevent being harmed by some other azzhole with a gun.

Have you ever had a gun put in your face? I have...Numerous times. Have you ever had to draw your weapon on someone in self-defense? I have. It's not a good feeling...Luckily I never had to pull the trigger. But until you've been in that situation to understand exactly how fast these things go down, and exactly how dangerous it can be out there, and to know that you have what it takes to actually pull the trigger if someone tries to harm you or your family, then don't try to tell me that you think the court system illegally taking your guns from you without due-process is a good thing.

 

[the hunter]

Without guns my cousin and my Ant would have been raped and had their throats slit, one of the attackers was shot three times, after my ant had been stabbed three times. The one that was shot was put in the hospital, the other guy ran out of one of his shoes and comes to the hospital to see his buddy with only one shoe on.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Without guns my cousin and my Ant would have been raped and had their throats slit, one of the attackers was shot three times, after my ant had been stabbed three times. The one that was shot was put in the hospital, the other guy ran out of one of his shoes and comes to the hospital to see his buddy with only one shoe on.

Glad they're ok... Shame they didn't have better shot-placement...Scum like that deserves a lead lobotomy and a dirt nap.

 

[the hunter]

Another cousin was shot point blank in the face just under the right eye, over a truck he had for sale, he spit the bullet out in the yard.

 

[the hunter]

Ant passed because of cancer two years ago.

 

[jbs2014]

I just returned from the dentist for the first time since I retired. The lady dentist that took over the practice was shot dead by her husband in a murder suicide. Due to the clear statistics of this crime in our country, straight up, I fully support this law. No fear or hypothetical situation can change my mind and I'll never support a rotten human's right to own a gun. That is just my opinion. I'm not hurt if anybody else disagrees and so sorry if somebody is hurt by my opinion.
I'm out and back to developing an elk load.

CO_Guy

Does this law have any element of due process? With the work I am doing for the next few weeks I don't have a lot of spare times so I have had no chance to look over the details of the Colorado law. Most of the red flag laws that I have read into do not have due process. The defendant is not even allowed to be present to make his case when the verdict is being decided. If due process is not contained in the law, can somebody explain why?

In the incident that you mention could we get a few facts so we can understand the basis of your support for the law? Were there any warning signs given? Did the perpetrator state an intent to harm the lady dentist you mention in the past? If so why wasn't a restraining order issued? Also, did the investigation confirm that it was indeed the husband that did it?

In the 90s and early 00s, when I was in North Carolina and other places we had a multitude of similar incidents that occurred. But none that I had knowledge of involved firearms as the weapon of choice. In one incident the individual coated himself and his wife in gasoline and set them both on fire. The other incident involved an Ice Pick and certain portions of the wife's anatomy that we will not mention in this forum. And another involved an individual decapitating his pregnant wife's lover in front of a multitude of witnesses and then bringing the severed head to the hospital where his wife was staying and placing it on the hospital nightstand. The severed head incident occurred a bit before I lived at the location. As far as I can tell there were no "red flags" that were detected prior to those incidents.

If due process is being discarded how does the Judge who makes the decision ensure that he is getting all aspects of the accused character/side of the argument to inform his decision?

Do we take the high functioning alcoholic, who has never had a DUI or even driven a car drunk, and take away his driving license based upon the possibility that he may drive drunk? Even individuals accused of DUI get their day in court with a defense attorney present.

Like I said before, Colorado is a beautiful state with some of the best scenery the country has to offer, but it seems that its lawmakers leave much to be desired in their process for creating legislation. I don't think that they are really applying the expected level of critical thinking and are rushing things in their effort to only appease one constituency in their state, with no consideration of the other.

I hope your elk hunting load development works out well for you and if it does please share.

 

[Orange Dust]

CO_Guy, Please read this and comment. This is why your argument is invalid. On my way to work today they were talking about an incident in California. A mentally unstable individual ran over 8 people with a car on purpose. Driving a car is a privilege not a right. Not one person is saying we should suspend driving privileges from the mentally unstable, only guns. They could do this easily. Think about it. They could care less about protecting society. Their agenda is to intimidate and disarm as many gun owners as possible. Since owning a gun is a protected "right" they have to have a huge effort to sway as much of the public as possible to go along with it. Otherwise their efforts will fail. I cannot come up with a better way to explain it.

 

[Deleted member 107796]

CO_Guy, Please read this and comment. This is why your argument is invalid. On my way to work today they were talking about an incident in California. A mentally unstable individual ran over 8 people with a car on purpose. Driving a car is a privilege not a right. Not one person is saying we should suspend driving privileges from the mentally unstable, only guns. They could do this easily. Think about it. They could care less about protecting society. Their agenda is to intimidate and disarm as many gun owners as possible. Since owning a gun is a protected "right" they have to have a huge effort to sway as much of the public as possible to go along with it. Otherwise their efforts will fail. I cannot come up with a better way to explain it.

Sorry but your post is incorrect. Most importantly, the first and second amendments are not absolute as a fact. You cannot say anything anywhere and you cannot keep a fire arm for many criminal offenses.
"Not one person is saying we should suspend driving privileges from the mentally unstable, only guns." Incorrect. My daughter had a TBI and until she was cleared by DMV, she could not drive. This "not one person" comment is the type of absolutism that I see in many people's comments these days and I find it rather revealing.
You are right about hidden agendas and all of the current political wrangling that many Americans see as useless, but ask anyone that was in the crowd in Vegas, ask the Douglas county sheriff why he supports this bill or try to ask the many victims of murder suicide ( I personally know two) and they'll all say, we have a problem. I may not know the answers for this, but fear or belonging to any pac won't make me put my head in the sand. Again, I respect everyone's own personal opinion on this matter and even more so right now, because I see that our country runs the risk of being run by groups instead of the individual will of each American. Regardless of how we see our constitution, I can strongly say that our forefathers wanted the latter.

 

[Orange Dust]

I will not give up my rights, willingly without due process. Anyone, and I mean anyone who comes through my door without knocking I will assume is there to kill me and my family. I will fight them to the death. A jury can deal with the survivors if there are any. There is such a thing as rule of law in this country. First, a crime has to be committed. Then we can have punishment, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND! Quit drinking the Kool-aid. These people are not going to solve these problems. They need them to have a reason to exist. They are not on your side, they are on their's.

 

[MudRunner2005]

You still think Vegas was real? Those "gunshots" were obvious real full-auto (M240Bravo, M16, AK, and what sounded like an MP5), and were not bumpstocks...And sounded like recordings. Also never saw any brass on the ground when the cops busted in the door right as it happened. There was no guns shot at the crowd from the hotel, and I never saw a single video showing anyone dead, shot, or bloody. I also saw the video of the security guard shooting into the crowd with an MP5, and nobody got shot at point-blank range. What about all the figures in all-black on roof tops and hiding in tree tops?

Look, I don't like to be "that conspiracy guy", but come on... Nothing added up about that. Same with Sandy Hoax and the one in Florida last year. Nothing ever adds up about them, except the Democrat's desire to immediately attempt a gun ban within the first 30 minutes of it hitting the news stands.

 

[Orange Dust]

You still think Vegas was real? Those "gunshots" were obvious real full-auto (M240Bravo, M16, AK, and what sounded like an MP5), and were not bumpstocks...And sounded like recordings. Also never saw any brass on the ground when the cops busted in the door right as it happened. There was no guns shot at the crowd from the hotel, and I never saw a single video showing anyone dead, shot, or bloody. I also saw the video of the security guard shooting into the crowd with an MP5, and nobody got shot at point-blank range. What about all the figures in all-black on roof tops and hiding in tree tops?

Look, I don't like to be "that conspiracy guy", but come on... Nothing added up about that. Same with Sandy Hoax and the one in Florida last year. Nothing ever adds up about them, except the Democrat's desire to immediately attempt a gun ban within the first 30 minutes of it hitting the news stands.

Remember in the first Bob Lee Swagger movie the Senator boldly said: "The truth is what we say it is". We really need to go get a beer sometime....

 

[Orange Dust]

Sorry but your post is incorrect. Most importantly, the first and second amendments are not absolute as a fact. You cannot say anything anywhere and you cannot keep a fire arm for many criminal offenses.
"Not one person is saying we should suspend driving privileges from the mentally unstable, only guns." Incorrect. My daughter had a TBI and until she was cleared by DMV, she could not drive. This "not one person" comment is the type of absolutism that I see in many people's comments these days and I find it rather revealing.
You are right about hidden agendas and all of the current political wrangling that many Americans see as useless, but ask anyone that was in the crowd in Vegas, ask the Douglas county sheriff why he supports this bill or try to ask the many victims of murder suicide ( I personally know two) and they'll all say, we have a problem. I may not know the answers for this, but fear or belonging to any pac won't make me put my head in the sand. Again, I respect everyone's own personal opinion on this matter and even more so right now, because I see that our country runs the risk of being run by groups instead of the individual will of each American. Regardless of how we see our constitution, I can strongly say that our forefathers wanted the latter.

They ARE absolute as far as the Federal Government is concerned. The States have power to limit, the Fed does not. Everything got screwed up in the power grab after the Civil War.

 

[the hunter]

You still think Vegas was real? Those "gunshots" were obvious real full-auto (M240Bravo, M16, AK, and what sounded like an MP5), and were not bumpstocks...And sounded like recordings. Also never saw any brass on the ground when the cops busted in the door right as it happened. There was no guns shot at the crowd from the hotel, and I never saw a single video showing anyone dead, shot, or bloody. I also saw the video of the security guard shooting into the crowd with an MP5, and nobody got shot at point-blank range. What about all the figures in all-black on roof tops and hiding in tree tops?

Look, I don't like to be "that conspiracy guy", but come on... Nothing added up about that. Same with Sandy Hoax and the one in Florida last year. Nothing ever adds up about them, except the Democrat's desire to immediately attempt a gun ban within the first 30 minutes of it hitting the news stands.

There was some one shooting, but not at the crowd, at some one on their way to area 51 at the airforce base across the street. I cant find the vid on it, but in the news they where talking about him shooting at the fuel tanks, he or they who ever it was, was shooting at an airplane at the base.

 

[MudRunner2005]

They ARE absolute as far as the Federal Government is concerned. The States have power to limit, the Fed does not. Everything got screwed up in the power grab after the Civil War.

You mean The War of Northern Aggression... Nothing was civil about it, or why it was started by the North. And it had nothing to do with slavery (like most people are taught, to push the new anti-white narrative)...The Emancipation Proclaimation was merely a byproduct of the war, so Lincoln wouldn't go down as the worst President in history... Little did he know, his horrible record would be immensely overshadowed 143 years later by a coke-snorting butt-pirate with a transvestite Wookiee for a wife, who's people were the very ones Lincoln freed. Hilariously ironic, isn't it?