feelinducky
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On their website they promote video editing. You send them your video and they will edit it.
How not, to use a 6.5 creedmoor
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whirlwindjml
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Them snowflakes would have all they need to ban hunting on utube when the went to edit and saw death by dehoofing and gravel shrapnel...
birdiemc
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Oh wow....he paid somebody to make him look incompetent...even worse
Not to mention we as hunters don't need that kind of negative publicity. If the tree huggers and pet lovers get ahold of video like that , next thing you know hunting big game is getting pinned as being out to torture and maim animals . We need to do our best to quickly and ethically dispatch our target .most of us here can agree that most ,if not all of that video did little or nothing to try to do that
MontanaRifleman
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If you're referring to a couple of my posts, I never said or implied that anything about this "hunting" experience was OK. If you go back and read all my posts you will see that IMO, what we have here is a lack of skill, a lack gun power, a lack of judgement and a lack of good hunting practice/ethics, the later because not only were these boys whooping it up, they did not see a need to edit out the missed shots and they made a big production out of it, like look how cool this is.
So, had they used a more potent round, I am 99% certain they would have dropped that bull on the first shot. And if they had done that this thread would not even exist. We would never know how unskilled and poor of judgement they were. Hmmmm
The first shot wasn't a great shot but with a more potent round it would have been a kill shot. That bull would have dropped like a rock and folks would have been saying, "WOW, Hammered!"
There are folks in this thread saying, same thing would have happened with a Mag, nothing wrong with the 6.5 CM at 600 yards, etc. BS! A bigger gun would have compensated for a less than perfect shot. That said, there are those who have the knowledge, experience and skill to make that shot with the 6.5 CM. I mentioned earlier that I have a friend who has taken 4 bulls with a 243. When he tells me that, I don't even blink an eye because I know how experienced of a hunter he is. But when guys like our boys see videos like the Greybull video, they think, cool, lets go buy a 6.5 CM and shoot a 700 lb bull elk at 600 yards.
Nope, nothing OK about what happened in this video including the Skyline shots.
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Mallardhammer
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Firstly, learn how to shoot. Secondly, learn how to not make yourself look like an idiot by posting this on your website when clearly you can't shoot. Hard to watch really.
MajorSpittle
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Crappy Hunt? How many elk have you taken? Been on many elk hunts in the mountains? I bet this hunt got him a better trophy then you will ever get.
I have hunted a hell of a lot of Mule Deer with 7RM and '06 in mountains just like that. Calling the wind a 600 yards when it is blowing over, through, up, down ridges is tough, now figure out the trees blocking the wind in different areas.
The guy got a first round hit that was inches from a perfect shot. You couldn't do that, and if you say you can you lie. I have shot competition, spent years hunting in the mountains, and have burned a hell of a lot of ammo shooting long range while in the mountains. I would never think "oh I got this shot" when you have wind going over ridges like that. Bullets can jump a foot up or down from the drafts at 600 yards and there is never any shot to shot consistency in calling the wind. You think going to the same range, calling the same wind, same angle, same known yards is ANYTHING like taking that shot?
Now, have you ever shot something and tracked it in your scope waiting for a follow up shot? Go figure the POI change from the first shot that was uphill, to the second shot down hill. Now figure the POI change if the elk was just 30 yards closer or farther away, with wind/angle. Now put yourself in the moment where you are actually the hunter that has 1 shot on the wounded elk, did you pay attention to the changes in target distance/wind/angle or did you just follow the animal and shoot when another shot presented itself.
People on here are so F-O-S. I have been around so many hunters, marksmen, and competition shooters...... but none of them hold a candle to how well any of you guys shoot. D*mn you are all a bunch of guys that put the first round in a 4 inch circle at 600 yards while hunting in the mountains, I am so G-D-mn impressed with you all. A bunch of perfect shots being fired on this thread today.
Man you named yourself perfectly on this site. A lot of people on here need to calm down.
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Edited...leaving the thread have fun with majorspittle.
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Well there goes the neighborhood. Sometimes I don't even know why I bother anymore.
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Sorry I'm editing it now. Need to watch my temper.
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Ricky McLaughlin
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I agree 100%. At least use something with a 250 minimum grain bullet.
whirlwindjml
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I wasnt intending to call a certain anybody out. Sorry if it felt hostile. I have a magnum and i dont think a low leg hit would would have been any better with it. Its just a disagree ment.
My self and my family have 6 elk in row quickly killed now with a creedmoor since 2016 with 2@ 515. They dont always go instantly but theyve all been 1 shot. I have seen enough magnum skrew ups to know the extra energy dont cover the sin shots.
Atleast we all agree in placing limits, practising, and that its ok to post the good, the bad but never the UGLY.
And to those who dont get the long range hunting.....you might be on the wrong forum...many are here to be better and sharpen our LONG RANGE HUNTING SKILLS.
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I disagree. Without knowing the angle, I think that first shot was high enough to kill that elk. That first shot should have been lethal. Period! It failed to penetrate the shoulder and get into the lungs and heart. It failed to deliver enough hydrostatic shock to knock the animal out. This is why many of us feel the 6.5s, particularly the credemore are simply insufficient for big game hunting. I'm not trying to be preachee. The truth is I've known great hunters that never understood how bullets kill. We see an animal get pole-axed and fall like a rock and simply accept the bullet killed the animal. The bullet killed the animal but Hydrostatic Shock (temporary would cavity) knocked it down. The two things occur instantly. Little bullets simply do not make the wound canal that big bullets make given the same conditions. Big bullets going very fast with the proper construction kill in two ways. And little bullets don't knock big animals down the second way. Yes, if the bullet breaks the neck they all fall. If a little bullet pases close enough to the heart or hits a major artery it can also produce shock. But Hydro shock from a large caliber will knock them out without breaking anything. Big mag velocity bullets also produce bigger shock waves and are therefore more forgiving. They are more likely to stop an animal with the same marginal shot.
How many stories have we been part of or heard of where an animal fell at the shot only to get up and run off moments later? The bullet damage will often eventually kill an animal while it's unconcious from the shock. We simply assume the animal died instantly. I have killed enough animals over 65 years to have made some bad shots. I became a bigger is always better advocate based on hundreds of animals. I found that often, an animal with a questionable shot, if knocked off its feet would stay down and die if left alone. But other animals with the same shot that did not fall would often go long distances to stay on their feet.
I shot a buffalo with a 300 Win mag near 350 30 years ago. The bullet missed the heart by inches, however when we cleaned it the heart was split open like a melon that had fallen 20'. You are not going to get that from a 6.5 at 600 yards. So sure, if you make good shots on everything you can hunt with anything. What we do is truly a game of inches and misses. Had the shot been 8" further back it would have easily killed that elk by shear internal damage (permanent wound cavity) and we'd have another bunch of yahoos claiming the Credemore is a great elk gun. It is not anymore than a 30-06 is an elephant gun. It will kill an elephant if all the stars align, but you shouldn't do it.
As to the 300 win, 300UM or 338s. Any one of those shooting any 180-250 grain good hunting bullet would have likely dropped that elk on that first shot. Any one of them would have broken the shoulder and passed into the lung cavity and possibly broken the far shoulder. We will never know, but I do know that a 6.5 at 600 kills one way, not two ways.
People read the ballistics numbers and think they can find a reliable KILLING caliber. Sadly for that elk, it just doesn't work that way.
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