How not, to use a 6.5 creedmoor
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I'd say. He needs more energy on that round when it hits. That will give more every time when you figure in all of the above. Lucky it stayed in the open and didn't just run like hell or he may never have recovered it. Guarantee it didn't bleed much.
MontanaRifleman
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I agree. That bull was dead on the first shot. It initially went uphill a few steps, after the cows, stopped, then a few more steps uphill then stopped again. After that, he went all downhill. He was hurt bad. He couldn't get over the ridge and out of danger. Whether you call it the leg or shoulder, with a more powerful round, the leg or shoulder on the other side is also broken and more damage caused in general. Don't take the minimum to do the job
ajkellerusmc
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Ethics are gone!
The poorest bunch of shooting I have ever seen. This kind of footage will be scooped up by the anti hunting crowd to show people who are on the fence about hunting to move to the anti hunting side.
I have taken a lot of Elk and lost a few to wounding as well and would never use a 6.5 anything on an Elk unless it was really close.
I would also never take shots that far out in the field with all sorts of different conditions like thermals, crosswinds and up and down angles.
I was a Hunter ED instructor for 10 years in Arizona and we taught students to be an ethical hunter and to always try and make clean kills and to do that you have to shoot within your ability. I always taught our students to sight in and then shoot milk jugs full of water out to 200yds, if you can hit 5 out of 5 then try 250 then 300 ect...
This footage shows that some folks have no ethics and to have a hunter struggle to kill a bull elk like this is unethical. Deep down all these guys should feel bad about this "birthday bull" and junk this video.
The poorest bunch of shooting I have ever seen. This kind of footage will be scooped up by the anti hunting crowd to show people who are on the fence about hunting to move to the anti hunting side.
I have taken a lot of Elk and lost a few to wounding as well and would never use a 6.5 anything on an Elk unless it was really close.
I would also never take shots that far out in the field with all sorts of different conditions like thermals, crosswinds and up and down angles.
I was a Hunter ED instructor for 10 years in Arizona and we taught students to be an ethical hunter and to always try and make clean kills and to do that you have to shoot within your ability. I always taught our students to sight in and then shoot milk jugs full of water out to 200yds, if you can hit 5 out of 5 then try 250 then 300 ect...
This footage shows that some folks have no ethics and to have a hunter struggle to kill a bull elk like this is unethical. Deep down all these guys should feel bad about this "birthday bull" and junk this video.
bigngreen
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If you've lost an elk that you wounded you've done a worse job than these guys, they made some poor choices but you also hear them trying to pick their shots better granted they struggled but still they recovered this bull and I bet they learned some stuff!!
MontanaRifleman
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Interesting that no one else noticed or commented on this. Hunting safety 101, never take a skyline shot...
Hunting and shooting are two different subjects that we discuss here. There is some overlap. Shooting is about science, mathematics ,ballistics, skill, and experience. Hunting is learning about the wild kingdom, habitats, animal habits, learning to appreciate all that exists in our natural world, and learning to appreciate being a predator.
What I saw in the video, was exhibitionism, lack of skill, lack of all I have mentioned. Was the guy with the pistol some kind of guide like guy, or what? In wild country, you won't have much luck standing around gabbing and gawking like these guys were doing; no wonder they shoot too far.
What I saw in the video, was exhibitionism, lack of skill, lack of all I have mentioned. Was the guy with the pistol some kind of guide like guy, or what? In wild country, you won't have much luck standing around gabbing and gawking like these guys were doing; no wonder they shoot too far.
MajorSpittle
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It appears that if your first shot is off 3-5 inches at 600yrds in the field people lose their mind on this forum and you just suck, are unethical, and just a horrible person?
Wow, there are a lot of people on here that have only had perfect shots with perfect results in their lives.
Obviously the person it the video is a better shot that MANY of the people on this site. It was a first round hit that couldn't have been off more than a few inches. The final shot was a perfect neck shot. The second shot was just barely over the back, and the third was a bad shot. So maybe 1 actual bad shot out of 4 at 600ish yards in the field? Get off the bench people, ****. Your half inch groups at 100 yards shot from a sled don't make you a better marksman than a 10 year old shooting at cans with a bb gun.
We all know we could be better QBs than Drew Brees when we are just commenting on his one throw in one game using hindsight, right?
I would debate cartridge choice all day, but never say his choice was unethical. Do we even know what bullet design he was shooting? What was his elevation, thus energy of that bullet at that range? I could debate with a lot of the people that say 6.5 is fine and that shot placement is everything...... if this is true then why aren't people only shooting match grade FMJ and aiming for a head shot only with the 6.5?
Wow, there are a lot of people on here that have only had perfect shots with perfect results in their lives.
Obviously the person it the video is a better shot that MANY of the people on this site. It was a first round hit that couldn't have been off more than a few inches. The final shot was a perfect neck shot. The second shot was just barely over the back, and the third was a bad shot. So maybe 1 actual bad shot out of 4 at 600ish yards in the field? Get off the bench people, ****. Your half inch groups at 100 yards shot from a sled don't make you a better marksman than a 10 year old shooting at cans with a bb gun.
We all know we could be better QBs than Drew Brees when we are just commenting on his one throw in one game using hindsight, right?
I would debate cartridge choice all day, but never say his choice was unethical. Do we even know what bullet design he was shooting? What was his elevation, thus energy of that bullet at that range? I could debate with a lot of the people that say 6.5 is fine and that shot placement is everything...... if this is true then why aren't people only shooting match grade FMJ and aiming for a head shot only with the 6.5?
RockyMtnMT
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I would be interested to know the bullet choice. My eye says the first hit was high enough to have a better outcome with a different bullet.
My comment early in this thread was pointing out that the video should have been better edited for public consumption.
My opinion, since we are giving them, is the shot is too long for the cartridge. As others have said, good that the job was finished. Ugly happens and we all try to keep the ugly to a minimum.
My comment early in this thread was pointing out that the video should have been better edited for public consumption.
My opinion, since we are giving them, is the shot is too long for the cartridge. As others have said, good that the job was finished. Ugly happens and we all try to keep the ugly to a minimum.
OK, OK, I volunteer to take the exact same shot with my rifle on a 7x7 and see the out come.Somebody please set that up and Ill try to shot in same spot to see out come as a test with a larger rifle,mybe put a sticky dot on him for me.40+ elk later I never had a chance at 7x7.
They recovered the elk out of luck, not skill. This situation could have gone two ways, it went in favor of the hunter. Had the elk gone over the ridge there's a good chance they never would have recovered it!
betolatinlu
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Shot placement is paramount. Where you hit them is more important than what you hit them with . I've never shot an elk but have heard of hunters consistently taking one with a .243 , .25 Robert's, 250/3000 etc .
Randy Tidwell
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That is the thing that stuck out to me the most.
bigngreen
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How do you know, had he gone over the ridge they may have trucked right over there and got it done, your making assumptions. I've seen many elk hit like that with magnums much closer and had to stay on them till dead.
