Larger diameter bullets allow more room for error?

[bigngreen]

Case in point the .280 Ackley Improved brass does not cost anymore to manufacture than .270 Winchester brass, yet.........the cost for the Ackley is triple that of the .270 Win brass

It's extremely expensive to go to a 40 degree Ackley shoulder for brass manufactures, they have an extremely high cull rate compared to even the same case in a 30 degree shoulder.

 

[26Reload]

Milepost....
The guy selling Cold Steel( Tim Wells) goes after cape buffalo and other stuff with his spears.....so far his worst injury was self inflicted..stabbing himself with his sharp spear.....
And there are still millions of people in Africa.......

 

[FIGJAM]

I have to use 3600 fps with a 140 Berger to get 1500lbs at 1000 yards which has a higher bc than the accu bond. DA 3500ft

Despite all the evidence and results presented to you from some experienced members who have shot over 100 elk you still want to believe the 6.5 can effectively harvest elk at 1000yds like a .30 cal can even though the energy is more like 950lbs at 1000yards with the 6.5

If you want a big 6.5 that bad get one. I wanted one myself and its works great for the proper application. You hear about guys dropping elk with a 6.5 at 1000 yards often now days with a spine or high lung shot. But you only hear the success story's, not when things go wrong, because if someone posted a long range fail with a 6.5 they would be attacked and told "shame on you".

I think a 6.5 going 3300fps can kill an elk effectively when put in the vitals but I prefer not to use mine for elk that far when I have better options. Its risky, you have no insurance if you hit a little far back in the stomach or to far forward in the shoulder and that elk will run for a long ways.

I think you are missing the point of the thread...

Does the 140gr berger have a higher bc than the accubond long range?

This was meant to be an energy vs bullet diameter debate, of course its never going to stay the course, very few threads do.

Whatever is said on here really won't sway my decision to buy any rifle. I already own a 300 ultra mag and a 300 wby. I have 1 6.5 and its a 260 rem(pretty tame).

But it may sway my belief that energy at impact is more important than bullet diameter...in fact there have been some pretty good points made already to support bullet diameter is king argument.

 

[CA48]

I think you are missing the point of the thread...

Does the 140gr berger have a higher bc than the accubond long range?

This was meant to be an energy vs bullet diameter debate, of course its never going to stay the course, very few threads do.

Whatever is said on here really won't sway my decision to buy any rifle. I already own a 300 ultra mag and a 300 wby. I have 1 6.5 and its a 260 rem(pretty tame).

But it may sway my belief that energy at impact is more important than bullet diameter...in fact there have been some pretty good points made already to support bullet diameter is king argument.

Maybe so, it's been a long thread and a good discussion without getting to far off topic.

 

[WildRose]

"Sometimes the magic works, and sometimes it doesn't" Old Lodge Skins in Little Big Man.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/florida-teen-survives-spear-through-head

Placement and caliber appear adequate. Evidently it weaved it's way through non vital anatomy some how, or maybe if the tip was more of a "Keith" style.........

About the time I don't believe a " good hit-got away" story I recall this. I also remember about 30 years ago the Idaho F&G collared elk, recovered the collars during and after the season, and reported only about a third of the elk shot were recovered. Apply your own experience to infer why.

Larger calibers make recovery more certain in my experience. Bullet technology has improved performance in all calibers, and admittedly a piece of my large bore bias, is based on bullet failure. Better bullets have changed my advice to a young fellow I work with, desiring to get into the game, is different than what it would have been a couple of decades ago.

To make it just an energy question. If we take a .300 Winchester Magnum, and give the 180 grain Nosler Partition bullet, 3100 fps, at 100 yards we get 3406 ft/lbs. If we take a 220 grain Partition 2700 fps, same 100 yards we get 2825 ft/lbs.

Target, elk, moose, big bear, or hog, quartering either way, and my experience tells me the results with the 220 grain bullet will yield a more positive result. Especially if we're talking recovery.

To the last I'd say most likely as well. The heavier the object the more momentum you have and the sectional density is higher as well between the two.

 

[WildRose]

I totally agree with your statement here. I also have to say that I believe that the marketers of the reloading products have also taken advantage of the work the "anti's" have done and have raised their prices on components to make more money off of the consumers of their products. How real have the shortages been and at what costs to the consumer!!??? I have noticed that the "shortage" prices never came down after the alleged shortage was over! Case in point the .280 Ackley Improved brass does not cost anymore to manufacture than .270 Winchester brass, yet.........the cost for the Ackley is triple that of the .270 Win brass. We used to be able to buy pistol ammunition in boxes of 50, now the prices are the same only we are getting 20 or 25 rounds in a box. I've been reloading and shooting for a very long time and have watched the increasing prices for components increase at a very large pace over the past few years. Won't date myself here, but 4831 and BLC-2 was $1.00 a pound and came in waxed paper bags, back just before dinosaurs were placed on the endangered species list!! You really cranked me up with this post. I don't mind spending my hard earned money on a product, however it really --$$E$ me off when I get fleeced by a company who has misrepresented their expenses in an effort to acquire more profit!! Capitalism at its finest!!!

There were real shortages for a while due to China gearing up for the olympics and the war.

As for the cost of brass, you have to remember that there's a huge cost in just setting up to make any given run of brass and so it's cheaper due to the volume with the more popular highest volume selling cartridges when you divide that cost out over the total run.

Now the cost of powder has gotten ridiculous because of all of the regulation and "hazmat fees" most of which either go directly to the gov't as a tax or pay for all of the added paperwork/compliance.

I've also been told that there's a limit on the total mount of powder any wholesaler or retailer can not send or recieve on a given truck which drives the costs and delays up even more.

 

[Don A Parsons]

I follow my own rule of thumb.

Select the bullet that suits the critters needs,,, stay with in the impact zone that allows for leeway,,, and """try""" to get off a clean break-way shot. "The follow through."

Bullet impact is the deciding factor. Either it rattles the Wrapper with a bag flop ,,, or the package takes off running.

Up close and personal is my game plan,,, if I can't close the distance ,,, then the critter lives for another day. Ha

Fair game and chase in my game Harvesting days.

Its all about being out there now day, much different than my younger years. LOL

 

[Ndfarmer]

Maybe a dumb question but I'm curious. How do the 6.5 bullets designed for long range hunting perform on a close shot? We all know how the unexpected can happen when hunting. I know that the big 30 and 338 cals may make a big hole but they still do their job.

 

[Deleted member 103481]

Unfortunately don't have a picture but my 6.5 147 eldm @ 2900 hit a yote last weekend in the ribs. .264 in, about 6-8 inches diameter out. Looked like a grenade went off on the other side

 

[Yotekiller]

Many of us want to see a simple answer like just pick a "better" bullet diameter but its not fair to ignore the rest of the equation. Effective killing has more to do with bullet choice, impact velocity, and accuracy.

 

[Alibiiv]

I think you are missing the point of the thread...

Does the 140gr berger have a higher bc than the accubond long range?

This was meant to be an energy vs bullet diameter debate, of course its never going to stay the course, very few threads do.

Whatever is said on here really won't sway my decision to buy any rifle. I already own a 300 ultra mag and a 300 wby. I have 1 6.5 and its a 260 rem(pretty tame).

But it may sway my belief that energy at impact is more important than bullet diameter...in fact there have been some pretty good points made already to support bullet diameter is king argument.

Really got some mileage out of this post. Is it a record??

 

[TG-5150]

Wow are we a bunch of nerds!! Spending our Saturday deciding what kills a critter 5 seconds faster using terms like sectional density and kinetic energy. Maybe they should have used this type of discussion in high school. I might have paid more attention.

I'm only on the second page of this thread, I did go ice fishing, shot some cottontails and put a minnow trap out today. Wife wouldn't let me bring my phone out on the ice, so I have had to do my forum stuff in between everything else.....maybe I am a nerd

 

[FIGJAM]

Really got some mileage out of this post. Is it a record??

I know I got some really good information out of it.

 

[bigngreen]

Maybe a dumb question but I'm curious. How do the 6.5 bullets designed for long range hunting perform on a close shot? We all know how the unexpected can happen when hunting. I know that the big 30 and 338 cals may make a big hole but they still do their job.

I've shot mostly 140 Berger's starting in the 3200 fps range at 6500-10,000 ft elevation, the hardest I've hit an elk was at 300 yards at a crazy up angle so it was more like 200, bullet hit her dead center of the heaviest shoulder bone on a heavy quartering shot, blew through that shattering it, blowing a 2 inch hole into her chest and grenaded the front of her lungs and destroying the major arteries at the front of the chest, found the bullet half way up the neck under the hide on the of side, she was booking it out of there and she made it two steps and cart wheeled all the way down 10 feet from me.
A bull just over 900 yards, another guy had just broken his shoulder with a 180 accubond that did not make it into the chest, hit him just above the heart blowing a 2 inch hole through him with a golf ball size exit, he flipped over backwards and was done.
That's just two examples kinda on either end.