Wolf video, Please take 7 min to watch

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  1. Murray

    Murray Active Member

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  2. HARPERC

    HARPERC Well-Known Member

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    It's a good video, I've signed their petition, but I would like to know what if anything they are doing. I haven't been able to find anyone that is involved enough to speak for their group. Anybody know how to contact these folks, do they have meetings etc.. Not criticizing glad everybody is doing something.
     
  3. royinidaho

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    I too signed and am wondering....
     
  4. jmden

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    Good video and a good quick way to educate those who aren't.
     
  5. Scot E

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    My understanding is that BGF is working directly with congress to help get sponsors for the bill to delist the wolves and give permanent management rights to the states. They are also the first organization that has designed a way for us to e-mail our opinions and concerns directly to congress and other officials with very little effort. The petition is an example of this.

    Scot E.
     
  6. Gary Kaney

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    I got 3 to sign the petition and working on 4 more.
     
  7. Scot E

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    Just received this from BGF. The end of the e-mail explains some of what they do and how they are different.

    Folks,
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    [FONT=&quot]Many of you have asked "How Can I help?"[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]Congress needs our support. Our elected representatives in Congress care about wolves and the Endangered Species Act. I was in Congress on Monday for a hearing on the Endangered Species Act. The problems presented by unregulated wolves and endless litigation were repeatedly raised in the hearing. I met with many offices for Senators and Representatives who are working to fix these problems.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]Here is how we need your help today![/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot](1) Go to the website Big Game Forever - Protecting Big Game Abundance for Future Generations and send an email. It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Simply click "take action" and follow the instructions. It should take about 30 seconds to send an email to all of your elected representatives, the White House, Department of Interior and US Fish and Wildlife Service. Big Game Forever makes it easy to make a difference.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot](2) Ask your friends to join the fight with Big Game Forever. Send an email asking your friends to do 3 simple things:[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot](a) send an email to Congress using our automated system at Big Game Forever - Protecting Big Game Abundance for Future Generations;[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot](b) sign the petition on our website at http://biggameforever.org; and[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot](c) take 5 minutes and watch the video at http://biggameforever.org which shows why the future of wildlife is at risk. 23,000 people have seen this video already.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]Yesterday's over 6,000 emails were sent to Congress by supporters of Big Game Forever in response to the Big Game Forever "Action Alert". [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]Here is how we are different. Some anti-hunting groups have attempted to create the illusion of collective action by sending emails on behalf of their members. Every message sent to Congress from Big Game Forever was sent by actual voter who "took action" using the tools at Big Game Forever - Protecting Big Game Abundance for Future Generations. Hunters care about the future of our outdoor heritage. These collective action show that real Americans are willing to join the fight. Thanks to everyone who has responded so quickly to this call to action.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]The vast majority of those who have signed the online petition still haven't sent their email to Congress. Take a minute and join the fight by sending your email by visiting Big Game Forever - Protecting Big Game Abundance for Future Generations. Together, we can protect wild things and wild places for future generations.[/FONT]
     
  8. Murray

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    I don't know who put out the video, but they are so full of BS, that there eyes are brown!
    The wolf was part of the country long before white man set foot on the North American continent.
    The wild life thrived until white man started to slaughter them. Some how somebody came up with the idea that the wolves were the problem. They also said that wolved were attacking humans ( BULL) so in the next 100 and some years white man tried to eradicate the wolves forever from the states.
    Wolves help control the wildlife herds by taking the old, sick and crippled animals!
    All you have to do is look at Yellow stone Park, it's thriving with wild life!!lightbulb
     
  10. HARPERC

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    1) Wolves only kill, old, weak, sick, and crippled animals.
    2) Wolves don't attack people.
    3) Elk in Yellowstone are thriving with wolves present.
    Given the logic one can only conclude these aren't wolves, what are they then? Can I consider them targets of opportunity if they are a hybrid invasive species?
    Most of the romantic wolf myth hype has been put to rest, but there remain the true believers plugging their ears, closing their eyes, and hollering BS.
    Sometimes the only thing tougher than learning something, is unlearning it when the facts on the ground stare you in the face.
    Neither of us knows for sure what went on here before the "white man", so let's keep this in the present.
     
  11. Kurt

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    If you really believe this i have some beautiful beach front property to sell you
     
  12. Murray

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    Lets look at the elk number in Yellowstone since the introduction of wolves. Here is an article straight from the Park Service;

    News Release from the
    Northern Yellowstone Cooperative Wildlife Working Group

    Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife, & Parks - Contact: Karen Loveless 406-224-1162
    National Park Service - Contact: Doug Smith 307-344-2242
    U.S. Forest Service - Contact: Dan Tyers 406-848-7375
    U.S. Geological Survey - Contact: Paul Cross 406-994-6908


    January 12, 2011

    Winter Count Shows Decline In Northern Elk Herd Population
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    Wildlife biologists say increased predation, ongoing drought, and hunting pressure all contributed to a decline in the northern Yellowstone elk population from 1995 to 2010.

    The annual aerial survey of the herd conducted during December 2010 resulted in a count of 4,635 elk, down 24 percent from the 6,070 reported the previous year. There has been about a 70 percent drop in the size of the northern elk herd from the 16,791 elk counted in 1995 and the start of wolf restoration to Yellowstone National Park.

    Predation by wolves and grizzly bears is cited as the major reason for the decline in elk numbers. Wolves in northern Yellowstone prey primarily on elk. Also, predation on newborn elk calves by grizzly bears may limit the elk population’s ability to recover from these losses.

    Drought conditions experienced during the early 2000s appear to have impacted the nutrition and abundance of forage, and may have lowered reproduction rates in some elk.

    The number of permits issued for the antlerless Gardiner Late Elk Hunt declined from 1,102 in 2005 to just 100 permits during the 2006-2010 seasons. The late season hunt was eliminated altogether for 2011.

    The number of grizzly bears seen on the northern range during elk calving season has decreased slightly in recent years. Also, the wolf population on the northern range inside Yellowstone National Park has dropped from 94 wolves in 2007 to 37 wolves in 2010. Biologists suspect predator numbers may be responding somewhat to the decline in the elk population.

    Biologists expect the reduction in the number of wolves and the elimination of the late season hunt will result in some increase in the elk population.

    The Northern Yellowstone Cooperative Wildlife Working Group will continue to monitor trends of the northern Yellowstone elk population and evaluate the relative contribution of various components of mortality, including predation, environmental factors, and hunting.

    The Working Group was formed in 1974 to cooperatively preserve and protect the long-term integrity of the northern Yellowstone winter range for wildlife species by increasing our scientific knowledge of the species and their habitats, promoting prudent land management activities, and encouraging an interagency approach to answering questions and solving problems.

    The Working Group is comprised of resource managers and biologists from the Montana Fish, Wildlife, & Parks, National Park Service (Yellowstone National Park), U.S. Forest Service (Gallatin National Forest), and U.S. Geological Survey-Northern Rocky Mountain Science Center in Bozeman.

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  13. jmden

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    Do you also believe what your fellow Canadian, Farley Mowat, wrote in 'Never Cry Wolf'?
     
  14. HARPERC

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    I wish I had a PR agent as good as old Farley. Some of the other myths like only the Alpha male and female do the breeding. In Yellowstone they have recorded 3 females in the same pack bearing young. Single females raising pups have also been observed. So the
    continued shoving down our throat of so many "breeding pairs" isn't science it's somebodies agenda. They're dogs to a great degree she's a "bitch in heat" or he's a "dog" have all become part of the language for a reason.
    Montana had a study of collared elk calves last spring bears, cougars, and wolves were all taking the young. The interesting thing to me was they wouldn't label some predation as they didn't find enough left to say what happened. Which is fine to a point, but the level of proof required for some folks to believe wolves kill, or have killed something or someone
    is way beyond reasonable doubt. Especially if it's livestock that various groups promised to pay for. Another lie.
    It's finally confirmed wolves killed that woman in Alaska, other countries pre-Farley and his cronies have credible records going back a century plus of wolves killing humans. How many more were there that there wasn't anything left to find.
    Lie after lie after lie.