Two Clueless Hunters

Discussion in 'Deer Hunting' started by Losthwy, Oct 21, 2013.

  1. Losthwy

    Losthwy Well-Known Member

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    Yesterday when leaving north central Colorado going home after a successful elk hunt. A hunter, around 60 years old, gets out of his truck and waves me down. His partner stayed in the truck. I stop and he asks me, "what is antlerless". I told him it is female. He pulls out is tag and shows it to me and ask what the tag is for. I read it and it is a deer tag for antlerless, meaning of course doe. He tells me they have been passing up shots all morning on does, believing he had a buck tag. I remind him of being careful not shoot a buck, possible fines and drive down another 100 yds. and talk to a couple of other hunters. They tell me," those guys been shooting at something this morning". Buck or doe who knows?
     
  2. billn17

    billn17 Well-Known Member

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    And that's why we have to wear orange. Morons!
     
  3. Wile E Coyote

    Wile E Coyote Well-Known Member

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    Now don't think you have the monopoly on clueless hunters! They are all over! Back in 1977, I was working my afterschool job, pumping gas. The station is on an interstate parkway that runs from the G. Washington Bridge in NJ to Bear Mountain in NY - about 40 miles long.

    Since it was a slow day, I was talking to a park police officer and a DEC officer who had stopped in. I had my back to the pumps when one muttered something like 'I don't f*&$! believe it! And the other then warned me to stay away from the car and pumps for a moment. When I turned around - there tied to the trunk lid of a large sedan is a billy goat! Perfect shot in the shoulder! Tag filled out and tied to the horn just like it was supposed to be. The three guys in the car were so proud of their accomplishment that they absolutely couldn't understand the problem the officer's were having with them.

    Today I own property in the Catskills, 80 miles NW, but is adjacent to 2 main roads. Big game archery season has been open since 10/1. Since that date, My trail cams have just as many pics of trespassers and poachers as the do of game. Rifle and muzzle loader seasons should be fun!


    Pete
     
  4. ICANHITHIMMAN

    ICANHITHIMMAN Well-Known Member

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    Maybe he could not read
     
  5. DennisMajors

    DennisMajors New Member

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    They were Liberal hunting tags and were just confusing durring first year of issue.
     
  6. SidecarFlip

    SidecarFlip Well-Known Member

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    Well guys, there is antlered and antlerless in Michigan but antlerless can also mean a button buck here.

    Me. I prefer a doe for the freezer but November 15 will find me and my smoke pole (centerfire isn't allowed here) on private land hopefully bagging a mount for the wall.

    Between the holidays, I'll be on my own ground in northern Michigan in search of that freezer fare.

    As a rule, up north, on my own ground, I always carry a sidearm in addition to a rifle because of the trespass/poacher issue. My ground is adjacent to public hunting land, well posted and well trespassed on I might add. Michigan is an open carry state and I also have a CPL which contradicts each other. I still open carry in the woods or going to the local in and out mart up north but conceal down here because of the population density.

    My issue with trespassers/poachers is they don't respect my property, they litter, they deface and they trash my blind and that pisses me off.

    Not sure what I'd do if I caught a trespasser, probably would depend on my mood and their demeanor. Like Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote......The woods, cold and deep and miles to go before I sleep....

    My S&W 44 magnum long barrel revolver has no conscience. Neither do the Sierra Jacketed hollow points in the cylinder.

    I came close 2 years ago with a bow hunter. He realized he was out gunned and decided to leave my ground without incident. I wasn't hunting at the time, just walking in the woods but I was packing my revolver. I do have bears raoming up there. Better to be prepared than mauled.

    One big problem thats arisen as of late is there are a lot more 'hunters' than in previous years and that means a lot more uneducated in huntcraft, inconsiderate and downright don't give a damn about whats yours and whats theirs 'hunters'.

    The doe permits in my county were sold out in 1/2 hour, I've never seen that before in 20 years.

    I also suspect there will be more 'hunting' accidents from uneducated 'hunters' with firearms this year. We can thank Obama for all this actually. The awareness level concerning firearms is very high. Consequently, there are a bunch of newbies, trying their hand at hunting, who have no idea about rules or property or just common sense in handling a firearm.

    I quit the local gun club for just that reason. Too many idiots with guns.

    Maybe some sort of gun control isn't all that bad.... good greif, what did I just say.....
     
  7. gillettehunter

    gillettehunter Well-Known Member

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    I'll ad to this thread. This year on a piece of public land that I sometimes hunt, there was 2different groups out walking all of the draws 2days before the season. Mule deer country. All they have to do is cross the creek 1/4to 1/2mile away and they are off limits. Dumb shits were running the deer out of where they could hunt...
    Then there is the idiot here in town. Works some construction. Small in home projects. Did a job for one of the local ranchers. Got friendly w/ the rancher and got invited to deer hunt on the ranch. Rancher told him he was welcome anytime. Idiot thought he could hunt anytime there. I mean it's private land right? Dumb as a rock. Didn't realize the state set seasons applied to everybody.
    Some people make me wonder........ Bruce
     
  8. Derek M.

    Derek M. Well-Known Member

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    antlerless here means anything with less than 3" of antler.
     
  9. SidecarFlip

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    What I refer to as a button buck. I'm adverse to culling one but I'm also painfully aware that the deer population is growing (especially down here, above you Derek) faster than they can be culled. Many wind up as hood decorations and many cause accidents as motorists try to aviod the crash.

    I put my bikes away before fall because it's downright dangerous to ride in the evening. I'm like a potato (all eyes) driving my car, all the time now, especially now that the crops are coming off.

    I'm going to be looking for a nice four or six pointer on November 15th. Ocassionally someone bags an 8, but it's a rare commodity around here. We don't get the long range shooting here or up north like is the usual out west. A long shot for me would be 250 with a centerfire on my ground and thats the maximum. It's heavly wooded, all hardwood so open shots are rare. The ground I'm hunting on the 15th with the ML is the same, why my 'go to' rifle is a 308 Savage. It will handle anything around here. A 250 grain SGK in front of H380 is all I need. Mass enough to handle some brush and range wise, plenty. The ML is sending 290 grain saboted Barnes TMX 50 cal with 100 grains of 209 Blackhorn and Federal shotgun primers.

    I keep hoping that all those quickly purchased doe permits went to experienced, respectful hunters who respect the rights of others and their property and realize they are only tennants on the land. The land really belongs to the animals that live there. We are only guests....

    Everyone be safe and respectful this year....
     
  10. Red Sparky

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    Out here I ran into two with no maps and wondering if they were in the right unit. They had no idea of where the unit boundaries were. This is a unit that is about 3600 miles square. Roughly 60 miles X 60 miles. This pissed me off no end as they had no idea if they were on public or private land. I usually hunt public land only and if there is any doubt if the land is private I stay off it. Yes the morons had been on private land but it was not posted or the gate locked. Still respect the landowners rights and get permission or stay off, posted or not.

    Also one of the things I do is take trash bags with me. This year I brought out two 33 gallon bags of trash from the National Forest where idiots threw bottles, cans, and other trash along the roads. I climbed up a ridge that is not easy to get up. I was looking at the vista and enjoying nature when I stepped over a rock and there is a beer can. Not even a good beer. Yes I crushed it and put it in my pack and brought out.
     
  11. SidecarFlip

    SidecarFlip Well-Known Member

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    Remote trashing hasn't changed and was commonplace when I was a kid, 50 years ago.

    I remember backpacking in national forests as an Eagle Scout and in the most remote areas finding discards left by previous humans.

    We, as humans are supposed to be rational, thinking and considerate but we are the biggest destroyers of the remote enviroment. Too bad really.

    I hunted on private land in NM last year and I was shocked at the amount of trash left by previous humans in the most remotely accessable parts of the ground I was hunting on...... just amazing.

    I would have needed an earthmover to haul it all out.....

    Every spring on my land, the wife and I do a spring pickup trip to haul out the previous year's junk..... and it's private, posted property.