The Theoretical Masterpiece build

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by ControlledAnger, May 30, 2015.

  1. ControlledAnger

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    So I figured this would be a fun way of putting together a build considering a few things.
    1. No limit on $$ spent
    2. Point will be shooting as accurately as possible at ranges from 1k-3k+.
    3. Use your knowledge of experience with components to help develop this.


    Ill start with a quick spit of pieces I felt were a good starting point.

    Cartridge- ?? (possible the .375)
    Scope - Schmidt & Bender PMII 5-25x56 (h2cmr reticle)
    Mounts - Badger
    Rings - Badger
    Action - Defiance
    Barrel - Bartlein
    Stock - AICS AX 2014
    Bullet - ??
    Powder - Hodgdon h4350
    Brake - APA Gen II Fat bastard (Will prob need the XXX)
    Bipod - Harris 6-9
    Sling - Tab Gear



    Feel free to disagree and post what you think should go where :)
     
  2. North Idaho Hunter

    North Idaho Hunter Well-Known Member

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    If money werent an issue i would skip the build and buy the LRKM from defensive edge. Last time i checked they were 8 months out.

    Pretty hard to argue 3100 FPS out of a 300 grain bullet.

    I think they run $7500 with the nightforce.
     
  3. Jaxdialation

    Jaxdialation Well-Known Member

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    Why is H4350 powder specified in a gun build?
     
  4. FEENIX

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  5. ControlledAnger

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    I suppose one person's idea of a masterpiece is completely different than someone else's. Lets just say I'd like to see you guys help me theoretically build a rifle that has the maximum potential subsonic range with the current technology available.

    I've heard quiet a few good things about it but what would you have in mind?
     
  6. LouBoyd

    LouBoyd Well-Known Member

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    Spending a lot of money on a fine rifle with excellent ballistics will be a waste beyond about 1500 yards unless you figure out a way to get a handle on downrange crosswinds. You can use spotter rounds if the target area will give visible dust puffs or if you have a downrange spotter (human or video) to give you feedback though that's not practical for hunting. First round hits are just luck no matter how good your rifle and ammo are at over a mile.

    My two rifles that can shoot supersonic to over 2000 yards are a Rem700 29" 7mm STW shooting 180 Berger VLS and a Sako TRG-s 32" 338-378 Wby shooting 300 VLDs. Neither rifle is limiting the accuracy at a mile to 2000 yards.. It's essentially always wind deflection uncertainly that's the limiting factor, at least in southern Arizona where I shoot. .
     
  7. Rockfish Dave

    Rockfish Dave Well-Known Member

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    Sent ya a PM
     
  8. FEENIX

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    lightbulbI just did and are you saying it's not?lightbulb
     
  9. ControlledAnger

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    I agree to some extent. I mean these builds are build mainly to shoot at long ranges, so why not push the limit. That's what we do as humans naturally is always try to out do ourselves and one another. As for landing on paper first shot, I would have to agree that to a point (possibly 36x36 size target or smaller), you probably wont be able to guarantee that first cold bore shot is going to hit paper. However I think that its 100% possible after seeing where and what is happening for the 2nd shot to be on paper beyond 2000 meters with the proper build and shooter (and most importantly spotter).

    I do know that every video I have watched of a 2500+ meter shot does not show every shot taken to hit the target, and some even deceive you into thinking it took 2 or 3 shots. There is no doubt is luck evolved in making these shots though, I won't deny that.


    Oh I wasn't disregarding the link, I looked it over and its beautiful.
    I just want more opinions :)
     
  10. bigngreen

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    Cartridge- 338 Lapua Improved with throating.
    Scope - Nightforce AtacR SFP
    Rings - Three NF HD rings
    Action - BAT M multi flat, dual port with custom taper rail, pinned, timed and melonited.
    Trigger- BixnAndy
    Barrel - Kreiger 6 groove, 9.35 twist, 1.350 shank Heavy palma no flutes 32 in.
    Stock - Manners T5A heavy fill.
    Bullet - Berger 300 OTM trimmed and pointed.
    Powder - R33 or VV N570
    Brake - JE Custom Assassin
    Bipod - SEB JOY-pod and Edgewood rear bag.
     
  11. FEENIX

    FEENIX Well-Known Member

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    Your previous response sure does not seem to support that though.

     
  12. ControlledAnger

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    You are miss interpreting what I meant when I said that.

    When you said "Don't care much for the subject title", i figured you didn't agree with my picked options, thus why you posted your build.


    Back on track here.


    Doing a lot of research on the Imp 338 cartridge atm, looks very promising.
    Great build overall.
     
  13. FEENIX

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    Yep, you misconstrued my response. There's nothing wrong with your choices otherwise I would have said so.

    I am simply not a big fan of theories and I provided one the is already built, a reality as supposed to theory.
     
  14. Kiwi Greg

    Kiwi Greg Well-Known Member

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    Using this criteria the only possible calibre is .375.

    Point will be shooting as accurately as possible at ranges from 1k-3k+

    If you can shoot a 338 that far you will scare yourself & everyone around you with your performance with a 375 lightbulb


    Cartridge- Definitely one of the .375 CT imps
    Scope - NF ATACR SFP for elevation, the new ED glass will be awesome
    Mounts custom 50-60 moa
    Rings - Spur
    Action - Single shot Custom, BAT, Stiller, Barnard, etc
    Barrel - Gain twist Bartlein, 7-7.5 exit twist
    Stock - Chassis XLR etc
    Bullet - My CEB 425/427, 450/452
    Powder - RL 50
    Brake - T5 Terminator
    Bipod - Notched Harris 6-9 or similar
    Sling - Eberlestock gunslinger or similar pack

    With some tuning etc that rig will shoot consistently well past 3K no problem, 1-2 K becomes a chip shot. :cool:

    425-450 grain projectiles @ 3100-3200 fps with BCs over 1 take a lot of beating lightbulb