The purpose for this thread is not to say that one brand of optic is better than the other, but is just my observation. Many years ago the first scope I bought was a Simmons Whitetail Classic, I thought it was a fine scope. I zeroed it once and it stayed zeroed. It worked great I thought and I killed many North Carolina whitetails looking thru it. It wasn't until a friend of mine took me groundhog hunting that I found what I was missing looking thru that Simmons scope. He had Leupold scopes on all his guns. Now while my Simmons worked, his leupold was so clear at any magnification. It also returned to zero with the same number of clicks if you clicked it up, where my Simmons would not. I could get it back to zero, but if I went up 19 clicks, it might take 23 or 24 to get it back to where it was. The thought of spending as much or more than I did on a gun was crazy, but eventually I did. For the last 15 years if I bought a new gun, it had a Leupy on it. Had the same brand name arguments with other friends, you know the Leupy, Burris, Nikon(just like the ford, chevy, dodge in the truck world). I was a member on here before moving to Florida 8 years ago, so I had read of the other great scope that was available, but could never see that one could serve my needs better than my leupolds. I had and still do have a couple Mark4's, not inexpensive glass. That all changed recently I bought me a Savage Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor. I put my 3.5-10 MK4 that I had on my AR. It worked good, but I felt I needed a little more magnification. While looking in the classifieds I seen that Bob Beck had I few NightForce listed. After a few emails back and forth a 3.5-15 NightForce with the MOAR reticle was on the way. I really felt stupid, I had just spent almost twice what the rifle cost me. When the UPS truck arrived I open the box and was immediately impressed. After mounting the scope and a trip to the range I was very happy with my purchase. I was so impress that when Bob post another tread I had to act, this time it was a 5.5-22 with the NP-R1 reticle for my 300wm. When it arrived I swapped the Leupold(8.5-25) off, put it back on my 6.5/300wtby, its original home, and mounted the NightForce. Took a trip to the range yesterday am to sight both in. While the purpose was not to compare the two, I couldn't help but do just that. While both scope were clear and easy to see the target at 200yds the NightForce was the clearer of the two, both were easy to dial to zero and returned to zero when doing a box test. After playing with both for several hours, I found the NightForce to be superior. Now that does not mean that there will be a mass exodus of leupolds from my deer rifles, I believe that are hard to beat for that. From now on I think my long range rifles will wear a NightForce.