sable tireur
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Just a little image management through an editing program. Glad you like it.
Are those monumental copper bullets designed as a hunting bullet ie do they expand reasonably?
What barrel life would you expect from this build to shoot game within 400m?
[QUOTE="Varberger757, post: 1604320, member: 66992"......]Over a long time I have been quite critical of the caliber 6,5 mm regarding hunting of larger / large game, because I had been convinced that most of the available cartridges were marginal concerning terminal energy.....I'm using a monumental copper bullet of 137gr / BC 0,68.........
264 WM does all that and more.Over a long time I have been quite critical of the caliber 6,5 mm regarding hunting of larger / large game, because I had been convinced that most of the available cartridges were marginal concerning terminal energy. Very accurate, but that was it for me. Things changed dramatically when I learned about the 6,5 x 63 Messner Mag. Invented by Joseph Messner from Alsace / France this cartridge met all the requirements I demanded. (Ultra) flat trajectory, superb accuracy, relatively light on the shoulder (corresponds approx. to the recoil of a 280 Rem / 7 x 64) and lots of terminal energy. I ordered a rifle from Mr. Messner himself, an Austrian made Voere LBW Luxus. Hand - lapped LW SS - barrel of 63 cm / 25' length and with a special "throat" corresponding to the 6,5 x 65 RWS for more durability. I'm using a monumental copper bullet of 137gr / BC 0,68, which also was invented by Mr. Messner himself. COAL 85 mm, 77gr Swiss RS 80 powder. MV 982 m/s or 3222 fps at 4050 bar / 58740 psi. At 300 m the bullet is still travelling with 852 m/s - 2795 fps and delivering a striking 3216 Joules of energy. Following some pictures of the rifle, cartridges and the target of the first (!) three fired rounds / 100 m right after load development. Mountain hunting in a new dimension.
Nice! Very, very Nice! Now ifn I could get all the dirt offa my tounge from drooling over it. Thanks for sharing the pics and specs. TheosmithjrOver a long time I have been quite critical of the caliber 6,5 mm regarding hunting of larger / large game, because I had been convinced that most of the available cartridges were marginal concerning terminal energy. Very accurate, but that was it for me. Things changed dramatically when I learned about the 6,5 x 63 Messner Mag. Invented by Joseph Messner from Alsace / France this cartridge met all the requirements I demanded. (Ultra) flat trajectory, superb accuracy, relatively light on the shoulder (corresponds approx. to the recoil of a 280 Rem / 7 x 64) and lots of terminal energy. I ordered a rifle from Mr. Messner himself, an Austrian made Voere LBW Luxus. Hand - lapped LW SS - barrel of 63 cm / 25' length and with a special "throat" corresponding to the 6,5 x 65 RWS for more durability. I'm using a monumental copper bullet of 137gr / BC 0,68, which also was invented by Mr. Messner himself. COAL 85 mm, 77gr Swiss RS 80 powder. MV 982 m/s or 3222 fps at 4050 bar / 58740 psi. At 300 m the bullet is still travelling with 852 m/s - 2795 fps and delivering a striking 3216 Joules of energy. Following some pictures of the rifle, cartridges and the target of the first (!) three fired rounds / 100 m right after load development. Mountain hunting in a new dimension.
The 264 WM was a good one at its time, and you may use the cartridge so often and long as you wish. No mistake with it, but the 264 WM surely doesn't do more than the 6,5 x 63 MM does, and it's also limited by its old belted case and outdated geometry.264 WM does all that and more.